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I like what DMC said about Will in that top 50 countdown: "Nice guys do finish 1st!" :yeah:

Happy Birthday to you FP, the greatest entertainer of our generation, much respect! :1-say-yes:

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I'm gonna put my money on it that "Party Starter"'ll make it on VH1's top 20 list before it makes it on TRL or 106 & Park, they played "Switch" more than MTV and BET did, they got a lot of love for Will so I doubt they wouldn't honor him and Jeff, if they don't honor JJFP, they sure won't honor Heavy D, De La Soul, or Biz Markie, JJFP are the kings of feel good hip-hop especially since they outlasted most of them, only De La Soul is still active, you can compare JJFP to today's artists 'cause they're still making albums while if you compare Heavy D to Jay-Z it wouldn't be fair since they're different eras but you could compare JJFP to Jay-Z if you want, wait Jay-Z' retired now so it's not fair either. :stickpoke:

"The Score" is a hard album for them to top since it's an all-time hip-hop album, I think their 1st one "Blunted On Reality" was mad slept on, it's a classic too, but if they could put out an album close to the level of those 2 I'll be happy, I doubt they'll be that popular as they were 9 years ago no matter how great it is, especially since Wyclef's solo albums have been floppin' since "The Carnival" and Lauryn hasn't dropped any new material in over 6 years, "Masquerade" in my opinion was one of the top albums of 2002 that showcased Wyclef as one of the top lyricists in the game, now that's who I'd call one of the greatest mcs/producers of all-time unlike a certain few that've been overhyped, Columbia dropped him after that one flopped with their lame promotion like usual, but it'd be sweet if the Fugees were popular again 'cause the commercial rap scene is at an all-time low.

I'd rather see Diddy do "Summertime" than Nick Cannon even though I think he sucks too, not many people respect Nick Cannon as an mc, he ain't in the same class as LL and JJFP to check a mic for them 'cause he's an unproven mc, maybe if we're talkin' about him doing a movie with them then that's cool, he got a lot of acting skills, but I wouldn't even want LL to perform it since nobody really deserves to perform "Summertime" except JJFP, I thought that was wack how they had Fat Joe perform "South Bronx" instead of KRS, they should've just had him introduce KRS to the stage, KRS is one of the greatest performers ever that's no diss to Fat Joe, he's dope too but he could never get to that level they might be close friends but that doesn't mean that Fat Joe's on the same level as KRS it's the same situation with FP and Nick Cannon, Nick's cool but he ain't FP, nobody should perform his songs but him, and I think it's even more wack that Nelly and Ciara are gonna perform "Doin' It" 'cause they got lil' talent. I think it'd be funny if Snoop did "Summertime" and JJFP did "Gin and Juice" if they get honored the same year. EDIT: I'm watching this top 50 countdown on VH1 that they originally aired 2 years ago and it's like a mixed bag, half of the rappers they mention don't deserved to be mentioned, what were they thinkin' when they ranked Master P ahead of the Roots, Lil' Kim ahead of Big Daddy Kane, Nelly ahead JJFP, Eminem ahead of LL, and put Diddy in the top 10 with Kurtis Blow at only 40, MC Lyte at only 42, Heavy D at only 45, Sugar Hill Gang at only 50? KRS at 21 is disgusting too, with his 13 album resume he has every right to be cocky if he wants 'cause we see Kanye talking all this s*** over 2 overrated albums but KRS backs up ever word he says, how could you be mad at that? I don't see how people could hate on LL for callin' one of his albums "The G.O.A.T." 'cause he truely is, how many mcs does he have to knock out?! I hope Nelly screws up the performance just so LL gets mad and ends his career right there on stage! The only thing they got right is Run-Dmc at #1 'cause they're the greatest hip-hop group. As less experience that I think Nick Cannon has, he could probably rip some of these rappers they put on there. They try to do the history of hip-hop and they do it wrong, oh well at least they try unlike BET like I said earlier.

This is great news, I'll be checking out for that! :1-say-yes:

I think that there should be a long tribute to JJFP considering how long their careers have been, it's just like LL, there should be a seperate cermony for him 'cause he's in a class all his own since he's the "G.O.A.T." of hip-hop, there's so many hit songs that could be performed and so many different things that they could talk about for him, I don't understand why Nelly and Ciara would do the tribute, considering of all the other dope artists he's worked with in his career, why'd they choose Nelly and Ciara, why couldn't Busta and Boyz II Men do it? I'll be mad if they have Diddy perform "Summertime" when they do it for JJFP! :damnlorettas:

50 Cent's really a coward, the real gangstas move in silence!

:word: Jay-Z made a great move there, now that's a start to help rebuild Def Jam, there ain't nothin' wrong with Rhianna or 112 but Def Jam should be strictly hip-hop, I think that's what Turntable means there.

That's what I was sayin' I checked the top 200 and saw he wasn't there, there's no way to find out the sales of albums that ain't in the top 200? :stickpoke:

Does anybody know how much it sold this week? Tim? Frenetic? Well since y'all might not read this topic I might just post it in the shout box for y'all to try to find how much it sold! Anyways TRL is the only hope for the album to go up, if it doesn't make it on there, basically this will be the final sales for the album, not bad for a 37 year old rapper, well any rapper for that matter, Bow Wow is half his age and he ain't even seeing these numbers.

Thanks! :thumbsup:

Yeah TRL sucks, 50 minutes of bulls****n' and 10 minutes of videos.

The beef that I have with Eminem is that a lot of his fans are kids and he really doesn't make the type of music that they'd be able to learn anything positive from it, he don't have to be squeaky clean but he should at least put songs together that're more respectful than what he has, I'd rather let a kid listen to 2Pac 'cause all of his songs had messages to them even when he cursed a lot, it's just not healthy for kids to be listening to songs about killing their mother and wife but millions of them do, older heads would know that it's just a song but the youngeons could be mislead, Will said something like this before too in an interview: "Why is it so important to keep it clean? To me theirs two issues. Number one rap music like movies is not kept away from children. There's not the ratings system to keep them from certain sections of the store. Rap music, people can act like its not, but rap music is for kids. You know its completely directed at children and impressionable minds and I just think it's dangerous to pump that kind of cavalier misogyny and hatred in young minds. A big part of it is a lot of the artists that are doing it are young too. You know so their people that haven't even really developed their point of view of life and are thrust into a position where their role models and their up on stage and can rile people up to do things and I got kids I don't want em listening to that trash. "

Hurricane Rita Spins Toward Texas Coast By ALICIA A. CALDWELL Associated Press Writer GALVESTON, Texas - Hurricane Rita grew into a monster storm with 175-mph sustained winds as it swirled toward the Gulf Coast, prompting more than 1.3 million residents in Texas and Louisiana to flee in hopes of avoiding a deadly repeat of Katrina. "It's not worth staying here," said Celia Martinez as she and several relatives finished packing up their homes and pets to head to Houston. "Life is more important than things." As Gov. Rick Perry urged residents along the state's entire coast to begin evacuating well in advance of Rita's predicted Saturday landfall, New Orleans braced for the possibility that the storm could swamp the misery-stricken city all over again. Galveston, Corpus Christi and surrounding Nueces County, low-lying parts of Houston, and New Orleans were under mandatory evacuation orders as Category 5 Rita drew energy from balmy gulf waters. Galveston Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas told NBC's "Today" show Thursday that her city is "fairly well emptied, but we're sending our police forces ... with their loudspeakers reminding people that today is the day to leave." In Houston, Mayor Bill White said residents in low-lying areas and in mobile homes should leave immediately. "We're the best prepared city in the country but nothing of this magnitude is welcome," he told ABC's "Good Morning America." "There's not much you can do if you have 150-mph winds." Forecasters said Rita could be the strongest hurricane on record to ever hit Texas. Only three Category 5 hurricanes, the highest on the scale, are known to have hit the U.S. mainland - most recently, Andrew, which smashed South Florida in 1992. Hundreds of buses were dispatched Wednesday to evacuate the poor and move out hospital and nursing home patients, and truckloads of water, ice and ready-made meals, and rescue and medical teams were on standby in an effort to show the lessons learned in Katrina. "We hope and pray that Hurricane Rita will not be a devastating storm, but we got to be ready for the worst," President Bush said in Washington. At 5 a.m. EDT Thursday, Rita was centered about 515 miles east-southeast of Galveston and was moving west near 9 mph. Forecasters predicted it would come ashore along the central Texas coast between Galveston and Corpus Christi. Hurricane-force winds extended up to 70 miles from the center of the storm, and even a slight rightward turn could prove devastating to the fractured levees protecting New Orleans. The U.S. mainland has never been hit by both a Category 4 and a Category 5 in the same season. Katrina at one point became a Category 5 storm, but weakened slightly to a Category 4 just before coming ashore. In the Galveston-Houston-Corpus Christi area, about 1.3 million people were under orders to get out, in addition to 20,000 or more along with the Louisiana coast. Special attention was given to hospitals and nursing homes, three weeks after scores of sick and elderly patients in the New Orleans area drowned in Katrina's floodwaters or died in the stifling heat while waiting to be rescued. Galveston was already a virtual ghost town. The city's lone hospital was evacuated along with residents of a six-story retirement home. The coastal city of 58,000 on an island 8 feet above sea level was nearly wiped off the map in 1900 when an unnamed hurricane killed between 6,000 and 12,000. It remains the nation's worst natural disaster. City Manager Steve LeBlanc said the storm surge could reach 50 feet. Galveston is protected by a seawall that is only 17 feet tall. "Not a good picture for us," LeBlanc said. In Houston, the state's largest city and home to the highest concentration of Katrina refugees, geography makes evacuation particularly tricky. While many hurricane-prone cities are right on the coast, Houston is 60 miles inland, so a coastal suburban area of 2 million people must evacuate through a metropolitan area of 4 million people where the freeways are often clogged under the best of circumstances. By late Wednesday, the blinking taillights of motorists headed north from Houston could be seen from planes landing at Houston's William P. Hobby Airport on the south side of the city. All routes leading north and west were jammed with vehicles. A family of three, two children in wheelchairs, and a tired-looking woman in hospital scrubs sat in a darkened and deserted bus stop just off Interstate 610, waiting for a ride. Galveston's mayor said buses used to take people and their pets off the island were running in short supply Wednesday and warned that stragglers could be left to fend for themselves. Meanwhile, the death toll from Katrina passed the 1,000 mark Wednesday in five Gulf Coast states. The body count in Louisiana alone was put at nearly 800, most found in the receding floodwaters of New Orleans. Crude oil prices rose again on fears that Rita would destroy key oil installations in Texas and the gulf. Hundreds of workers were evacuated from offshore oil rigs. Texas, the heart of U.S. crude production, accounts for 25 percent of the nation's total oil output. Rita is the 17th named storm of the Atlantic hurricane season, making this the fourth-busiest season since record-keeping started in 1851. The record is 21 tropical storms in 1933. The hurricane season is not over until Nov. 30. Jennifer McDonald in Galveston planned to ride Rita out. She and her husband have enough food and water to last 10 days in their wooden house. If it gets really bad, the couple will take to the roof. "If it goes, it goes," the 42-year-old nurse said of the house. "We're completely prepared." ___ Associated Press Writers Deborah Hastings and Juan A. Lozano in Houston, Lynn Brezosky in Corpus Christi and Pam Easton in Galveston contributed to this report. ___ On the Net: National Hurricane Center: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov

It fell out of the top 200 so I have no idea! :shrug:

:word: Let's not start a fight over it, this is a JJFP board so you can't expect all of us here to like Eminem just like you can't expect all Eminem fans to like JJFP, personally I could never consider Eminem hip-hop, a hip-hop artist doesn't s*** on other family members just for own benefit, he just happened to be a commercial rapper with skills and wit then but now he's just another wack commercial rapper, hip-hop artists always are creative and consistant with skills and subject matter, they don't just make themselves look ignorant just to sell more records, "The goal is to make forever music."

I always thought those songs about killing his mother, shooting dope, and disrespecting other celebrities was wack, I did like a few songs in between from those first 2 commercial releases but I never really considered him my favorite, I liked DMX, Ja Rule, and Big Pun better than him at that time but DMX retired, Ja Rule fell off(not as hard as Em though, he hasn't really annoyed me that much, I just don't like him much now), and Big Pun died, Will and LL were and are still my favorites since they're still out, I thought Em had some skills though even though I didn't agree with his subject matter but he was never the best mc even with those 2 releases that're overrated in my opinion just 'cause a white rapper made average albums they gotta pump it up and make it sound like they're the greatest albums ever, but the last 2 albums have nothin' at all that I like but yet they still sold millions he deserves to flop badly and lose his record deal, there's so many white/black/puerto rican/chinese/other races that could express themselves better than he could and deserve a shot, he's actually gotten even more annoying to me, I just don't see him maturing, you gonna call me an a**hole just 'cause I don't like him? I ain't calling you no names, I'm keepin' this the discussion of Eminem falling off, but if you wanna make it personal like PE said "Welcome To The Terrordome", you don't wanna battle me! :chuks: "Born To Reign" might be Will's worst album but at least he didn't make songs about killing people on there, he wasn't really rhymin' much on there but I'll say the "Born To Reign" verse is better than any verse Em has spit since 2001, I'd say "Willow Is A Player" is a better song for a daughter than "Mockingbird" is too, I could say Em's 1st 2 might be one the same level that one at least but he can't f*** with the other solid 8 albums Will's done, let's see 2 average albums and 2 trash albums equal another sell-out rapper, he ain't no different than Nelly, Ja Rule, and Mase who were average when they came out but suck now. Society's f***d up, if a black rapper talked about killin' his mother nobody would buy his albums and yet when Em does it he sells millions? Dr. Dre fell off too, I actually thought "Aftermath" was his last good album, "2001" was half filler and his production is mediocre now! Hey now what does everybody think about the rest of the article I posted? I didn't want this just to be an Eminem bashing thread, I'm tired of talking about his sellout ass, I'm gonna go bump some Slick Rick now, peace!

Well it's nice to see Jazzy Jeff get some shine in the mainstream and people'll get to see him on the wheels, Will always gets the shine on TV when Jazzy Jeff's in the background, I think it's wack that they honor Biggie on the same show with LL, Big Daddy Kane, Salt-N-Pepa, Ice-T, and Grandmaster Flash/Furious Five, I'm sorry but he's not in that class, he's the most overrated rapper ever, you replace him with JJFP and it would be perfect! It's hard to take anything that the media does seriously but I give VH1 more points to show the history of hip-hop than BET and emptv do!

'Aint a rapper dead or alive f'n wit me Ask the last bitch that tried to come and get me Talk about paper, I can talk about broads I can talk about movies, I can talk about awards F the fantasies, yo I got all four"-LL Cool J-"G.O.A.T. Intro"

They should have that show a lil' more often than just once a year, I hope Slick Rick, Queen Latifah, and Naughty By Nature get honored too, they should honor "Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air" too when they honor JJFP!

I'm not hating on Em just 'cause he's white, I think Beastie Boys are one of the greatest groups ever and they're white, they're original though, that's the point Eminem is unoriginal, he does the same things other rappers on MTV do by puttin' out gimmick songs to sell albums, like Will says in "Lost and Found": "Why should I try to sound like y'all sound?/That's what's wrong with the rap game right now"!, I have the right to diss Eminem if I want to, if he never made it big, the rap game would be much better than what it is today, there are high talented white rappers out there like Aesop Rock that could rip Eminem in a battle easily but they're slept on 'cause they don't make gimmick songs, I don't care what race Em was, I'd still say he sucks, like KRS-ONE says in "Ain't Ready" about sell-outs like Eminem: "These rappers ain't got God in they heart All they want is quick money, and a movie part Let me begin - what, where, why or when What's the use of double platinum if you're livin in sin Hear the truth - how long you think you gonna last rockin the mic, without havin to go back to class? Now you're forced, to listen to the teacher outrap them Yes there's life after platinum" This part from KRS' "Ova Here" could also be used against Em: "I think it's 'bout time we stop these pop rappers F*** these pop rappers, hip hop does matter to me Does it matter to you? My crew If it does, you know what the hell to do Throw your guns in the air, pump it like yeah Let these bitch ass rappers know we in here Go to the shows huh, boo 'em off stage Tell 'em KRS told you they at the end of they days"

That's dope, thanks for sharing that wit us! :thumbsup:

Now you could say 50 Cent is bubblegum, his biggest hit is "Candy Shop"! :lolsign: