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Chuck D was on MSNBC on Thursday and he defended what Kanye West said, check the transcript to the show: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9365706/

Not to worry if there's no "Best Buy" in your area, it'll be released through every other retail chain on November 1st, I don't have to worry though since there's a "Best Buy" in my area! :1-say-yes:

"When I was born there was a rainbow formed with no sun Roy G Bid marking the path for the chosen one An angel, my grandma, told me before she died Smart folks don't need to put no cursing in they rhymes So from CD to TV to movies back to rhymin' My lifestats makes Jordan's six rings seem common Ya'll hate, I retaliate, just by being great Big Will the enemy of your mental state With the same rhyme I used to burn your idol in a battle To subdue you into saying, "Look, I don't wanna battle,"-Will Smith "I'm Comin'"

I don't care who he disses, he better release the Redman and DMX albums soon, if he doesn't then they might battle him too, lol, it's not they're new artists either you're talking about either, DMX has as many #1 albums as Jay-Z does, he deserves more love than what he gets and Redman been there longer than Jay-Z, over 10 years now, he's a great battle rapper too. That'd be a nice statement to bring some quality hip-hop back if he'd only release them, if he's gonna start making albums again, somebody else should be president of Def Jam 'cause he's doing a lousy job so far, those 2 albums were supposed to come out before Young Jeezy's, Foxy Brown's album should be out now too, she's better than Tiarra Marie. btw a lot of hip-hop fans, even a lot of Jay-Z fans think that Nas won the battle between them, they roll with Jay-Z though 'cause he has more appeal than Nas does, Nas is too conscious for a massive audience, he's like the modern day KRS, you could say Will might be able to sell more records too 'cause he's more of a feel good rapper than KRS is but they all got a lot of talent regardless, Jay-Z not a good battle rapper but Nas is not a good club rapper, FP and LL are the total package, they could rock a club and knock out mcs at the same time which is what seperates them from everybody else.

Diddy won some Grammies too so does that make him a great rapper? :chuks: I think Vanilla Ice won a Grammy too, Nelly won Grammies, Lil' Kim won Grammies, Mase won Grammies, and Ja Rule won Grammies, now are they really the most talented rappers of all time? Record sales and Grammy's don't judge the greatness of an artist, it's a popularity contest, only the highest selling albums win, if it was about talent "Code Red" and "Illmatic" would've won Grammies. "Encore" sold way more than "Lost and Found" but is it really better than "Lost and Found"? It'll probably winning a Grammy instead of "Lost and Found", Outkast's last album wasn't their best album, it only won 'cause it sold a lot, "Big Willie Style" ain't really Will's best album even though it sold a lot and won a lot of awards, "Code Red" might be his best and it was his least selling album. Around this time Nas, Common, 2Pac, Biggie, Public Enemy, MC Lyte, Heavy D, and a whole bunch of talented rappers got snubbed that'd all destroy Em and all those wack mcs who won if they battled! Will should've won the Grammy for "Willenium" too and LL should've won one for "The G.O.A.T." since they're both easily better albums around that time than "Slim Shady LP" and "Marshall Mathers LP". lol, 3/4 of those that won Grammies in the last 10 years suck, lol, Vanilla Ice was the only wack mc to win one before that, the golden age is over now!

:word: We could chill that talk for another 10 years at least! :lolsign:

It's a shame that things didn't work out with Overbrook with Will, he was planning on singing MC Lyte, who knows he coulda signed Public Enemy too since he's good friends with Chuck D and Flava Flav, I thought Jay-Z became president of Def Jam to help restore the label but it seems he's setting it up to sign less talented artists so that he looks better than all of them, look like he's shelving Redman's and DMX's albums 'cause he knows that they're better than his probably, lol, if he does it to LL though it'll be a war, lol!

This sounds like Jay-Z' is just dissin' these rappers just to get more fame and glory but we'll wait and see maybe he does really wanna improve hip-hop for the better not just himself, if he really wants to help change hip-hop he'd sign Big Daddy Kane, Heavy D, and Rakim to Def Jam, I think LL would if he were Def Jam president, I think Jay-Z' superior to Eminem, 50 Cent, and Nelly but there's a whole stream of less popular rappers with more skills or could compete with Jigga, but you can't deny the respect that he gets from a lot of them, but FP and LL are more respected since LL's "The G.O.A.T." and FP's "The Chosen One", at the end of the day every other rapper's bowing down to them including Jigga!

I don't know if BET has beef with FP or what, they haven't put it on their list yet since they premiered it last week, MTV might be our only hope, well I'll tune in, thanks for the news AJ! :thumbsup:

They haven't proven themselves? I could see maybe you could say that about Kanye West but Jay-Z has 9 albums and he does talk about real life issues just like Will does in some of his songs even though he dumbs down much more than Will does, but it's not a coincidence why a lot of JJFP fans like Jay-Z, Will says that Jay-Z is the one commercial rapper out now that he really respects too, Jay-Z respects Will as well, I wouldn't mind if they did a song together even though Jay-Z is far from the 1st person that I'd like to see Will work with but if he can't get with Wyclef, Nas, or Common, he could call Jay-Z if he needs a current rapper on his song but if you don't wanna hear Will wit Jay-Z on the mix, you don't have to listen, that's your opinion but Will likes Jay-Z too like it or not, it's just like the people that hate on Will and like Jay-Z they don't realise that Jay-Z likes Will too.

I hear Jigga saying that LL is a better rapper than him!So if he say`s why can`t people just believe it? :lolsign: :word: That's right I remember hearing Jay-Z saying that LL is the best rapper in the game right now when he being interviewed by Sway in 2002!

Remember that this is a JJFP site Frenetic not a Roc-a-fella website! :stickpoke: :lolsign: Will's clearly had a longer and stronger career than Jay-Z, you could tell through some of the songs released that he's influenced from Will and maybe that's why a lot of JJFP fans are Jay-Z fans too, "Big Pimpin'" is a "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" type song, "Girls Girls Girls" is storytellin' like "Girls Ain't Nothin' But Trouble", he's been influenced by LL too, "Excuse Me Miss" sounds like an updated version of "I Need Love", without Will Smith or LL there'd be no Jay-Z, he's done some original things of his own but there needs to be respect to the originators! I don't like it when MTV says that Jay-Z' a better rapper than Will Smith and LL but the truth is they were the first rappers to get airplay that influenced Jay-Z and many of the rappers to come out, even Eminem was influenced by JJFP. Jay-Z wouldn't say nothin' to diss them either 'cause he knows that his career would be over if he did, he gives them props too.

:word: Jay-Z did put his mark on the commercial level but he's nowhere near Will to me, Will could easily finish off these garbage mcs but they ain't on his level so he's smart enough not to hype up their careers by mentioning them, the punchlines on Will's albums are more superior than anything a battle rapper could dream of, Jay-Z would look embarassed if they end up beating him, lol, he's not as invincible as he claims he is, he won't impress me unless he could beat a rapper on the level of Nas and DMX, he should just stick to making songs and stop battling 'cause that's what he's good at, I don't think his punchlines are that superior, they're ok compared to wack rappers though, he got a lot of fans already and he shouldn't do something that might hurt his appeal, you think I'd be worried about battlin' a no-named rap crew like Dipset if I sold over 20 million albums? lol People know that the real president of Def Jam is LL Cool J, 20 years of consistancy, he makes great songs and could battle too, beating battle rappers like Kool Moe Dee and Canibus, not even Jay-Z could match that!

Well those would all be one sided battles, Jay-Z could easily finish them off, they're irrelevant, he should focus on promoting Def Jam artists instead of wasting his time on this if he wants to be respected as an executive, he said that he's more than a rapper, it's time to be a bigger man and prove it, these wack mcs can't touch him so he should just "Wave 'Em Off" like Will does, I wanna see him release DMX' album sometime this year and it'd be nice if LL's comes out sometime next year as well, and if he wants to release something he could do it too though. EDIT: 50 Cent disses Jay-Z in King, he barked up the wrong tree this time, lol: http://www.king-mag.com/05oct-nov/features/index.html#1 Maybe it’s the Hova-worship overkill, or his own intensely competitive spirit, but 50 Cent is puzzled by all the fuss over Jay-Z’s performance in the Fade to Black documentary. In the back of his customized, bulletproof black-on-black SUV, he watches Hov’s reflective opening monologue over the nighttime New York skyline on the plasma screen partition. “My whole career, I’ve been thinking of a night like this,” Jay proclaims. “I ain’t trying to get too dramatic on y’all, but that night, I felt like the luckiest man in the world.” Expressionless, 50’s blank stare punctures his present company: “Yo, you think he wrote that himself?” Later, as a sea of sparks flood the stage onscreen, he compares Jay’s retirement (one show) to G-Unit’s Anger Management three-stage show (20 dates nationwide). The other shoe finally drops: “It’s Madison Square Garden,” 50 shrugs. “I do shows like that all the time.”

I was starting to like Jay-Z too but now he's sounding like a punk, I'm sick of all this beef, he's probably doing this to hype up an album he's working on! :paperbag: What does Jay-Z have to be so mad about, isn't he one of the most respected rappers already? Damn, what does he want? Nas is the only rapper that dissed him who's respected, everybody else is a joke, Jay-Z don't have to waste energy on them. As a Nas fan I'm a lil' dissapointed that he made a song dissin' 50 Cent 'cause 50 Cent is garbage and is not worth the time. On the other hand if he's dissin' 50 Cent then I'm all for it, lol, somebody has end that punk's career, maybe since Jay-Z' more popular it'd work, Jay-Z could use his popularity to knock G Unit rappers out the game, but these beefs are boring on the most part, KRS should come out and rip all of them fake rappers, I wanna see skills not rappers cursing each other with meaningless punchlines.

There's only about 5 rap albums that went platinum though which were all more hyped than Will's, Game and 50 had their beef, Kanye got a lot of critical acclaim, and Black Eyed Peas are radio friendly, Will's sold his records the old fashioned way through word of mouth from skills that weren't overhyped surviving the hate from the media and the resistance to play "Switch" on black radio(which is listened by mostly whites anyway now, it's just another version of pop radio, lol), there's less interest in commercial rap now so it ain't only Will struggling to go platinum, I think there's quite a few albums that were promoted better than "Lost and Found" but yet they all sold less than him, if Will had the type of hype Common had with magazines giving him perfect ratings he'd gone platinum already just like Kanye did with his hype but Common needed that to do Will Smith numbers since he didn't have that much of a fanbase to begin with, Young Jeezy and Bow Wow have videos getting more airplay than "Switch" and yet they ain't gold, Tony Yayo's part of the G Unit gimmick machine but he might not go gold either, Missy ain't gold either and she won an MTV video award and Will wasn't even nominated, looks like Will's gonna be in the top 10 selling rap albums of the year at the worst which is great considering there's 100s of albums released, a lot had stronger 1st weeks than Will but they fall off the charts in a couple months, this album had legs to stay for a good 6 months, which is rare now, it could still push 700-750K if "Party Starter" gets a lot of video play too, "Tell Me Why" comes out and it could do 850K-900K by the end of the year and go platinum in the US by next year, it's platinum worldwide already, this was a good comeback album, every rapper that came out when he did wish that they could put up the type of numbers he's had, Rev. Run probably won't push 100,000, I wish it could go back to the days where quality sells not gimmicks or just acclaim by the media but that ain't happening. :worried:

I hope he doesn't run for president as much as I'd like to see him be one but in reality politicians are liars and cheaters and Will is above that, I think he should just keep on being an entertainer, politics seem stressful! If Will was seriously gonna consider running for president, he'd have to focus on running for other political offices first and work his way up, that's how politics work, you can't just come from being an entertainer and then run for president, it doesn't work that way, so he's gonna have to quit entertaining in a couple of years and run for alderman and then work his way up to run for president in like 2016 or 2020, besides there's been a lot of experienced black men in politics that can't get on the final ballot, I think it's a long shot at the most so Will shouldn't even waste time on it, entertaining is the best way for him to be a role model.

Have u seen the video at all besides that one time on 106 & Park? :word: Well platinum worldwide seems to be the best the album could do and 90% of the rap industry can't say that so it ain't a failure.

To be in the top 40 you usually have to have a lot of interest around your album too so to be in the top 40 with the album selling 5K a week is a miracle, even Tony Yayo ain't in the top 40 with a single right now and his album sold 280K in the 1st 2 weeks, Bow Wow got 2 singles in the top 40 and he ain't even gold yet, a lot of artists release 2nd singles believe it or not when their album's under 10K but the singles usually don't make the top 100 so this is an accomplishment in itself, now if the video catches on and goes to the top 10 sales might go up a lil' bit, maybe it'll be platinum sometime next year and at the worst it's platinum worldwide anyway and 90% of the rap industry can't say that! :gettinjiggywitit:

"NWO Exclusive to Best Buy 09/16/05 01:00 businesswire.com Best Buy to Bring Fans Exclusive New Release from Public Enemy, New Whirl Odor; New CD Marks the Groups First Studio Album in Three Years MINNEAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 15, 2005--Public Enemy, one of the world's most formidable rap groups, will release their first studio album in 3 years, New Whirl Odor (SLAMJamz Records), on October 4 exclusively at Best Buy stores and on BestBuy.com. Driven by Chuck D's jolting combination of intelligence and eloquence offset only by Flavor Flav's entertaining interludes, New Whirl Odor marks a resounding return to form. The album also includes the single MKLVFKWR, which Chuck D and Flav recorded with Moby in 2004. "I have long sought to find a way for independent companies such as my SLAMJamz Records to hold onto their artistic integrity while at the same time get a chance to reach many of the masses from highly visible places," said Public Enemy frontman Chuck D. "We appreciate the opportunity to have our new album positioned alongside those from major record labels, expanding opportunities for not just our group but for other small companies in our genre. We thank Best Buy for this position to create these new avenues." New Whirl Odor is yet another entertainment offering to be sold exclusively at Best Buy. The one-month exclusive agreement demonstrates Best Buy's commitment to offering unique music content to its customers and supporting artists. Best Buy will be the first retailer to sell New Whirl Odor, selling it exclusively from October 4 through November 1. "Best Buy wants to bring customers exclusive music entertainment from their favorite artists," said Gary Arnold, senior vice president of entertainment, Best Buy. "Public Enemy is one of the most influential rap groups of all time and they've captivated hip hop fans for years. This new album brings more of the energy and passion that makes this group great." Public Enemy has devoted their career to delivering messages that address weighty issues about race, rage and inequality with a combination of style and substance never seen before. All the albums released in their nearly 20 year career have met with critical acclaim from publications as disparate as Time and The Source, and worldwide sales in the millions. At the close of 1999, The New York Times named Public Enemy's music to their list of the "25 Most Significant Albums of the Last Century" and in 2005 The Library of Congress included Fear of a Black Planet in a list of 50 recordings worthy of preserving that year in their National Recording Registry. Most recently, Spin magazine chose two Public Enemy albums for their "100 Greatest Albums (1985-2005)" list, with It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back coming in at number two and Fear of a Black Planet at number 21. The band has embarked on over 33 tours, performing over 1200 concerts to fans in 40 countries. Three albums are certified multi-platinum, three more are gold, with four gold singles and a platinum-selling home video. About Best Buy Co., Inc. Best Buy Co., Inc. (NYSE:BBY) is an innovative Fortune 100 growth company that continually strives to create superior customer experiences. Through more than 840 retail stores across the United States and in Canada, our employees connect customers with technology and entertainment products and services that make life easier and more fun. We sell consumer electronics, home-office products, entertainment software, appliances and related services. A Minneapolis-based company, our operations include: Best Buy (BestBuy.com and BestBuy.ca), Future Shop (FutureShop.ca), Geek Squad (GeekSquad.com and GeekSquad.ca) and Magnolia Audio Video (Magnoliaav.com). We support our communities through employee volunteerism and grants from The Best Buy Children's Foundation.

The album needs more than just "Party Starter" to be a hit to get a boost, he needs to do something controversial, lol.

"Change Clothes" sucks, that's like the worst song on "The Black Album", I'd rather hear a verse from "Dirt On Your Shoulder" along with the beat, Timbaland laced him well on that one, that's a better song and maybe a verse from "Swagga" if you got the accepella, that'd flow well together, or maybe the verse from "Girls Ain't Nothin' But Trouble" with "Girls Girls Girls" with it's instrumental, that'd sound fun, I wouldn't mind if "Gettin' Jiggy With It" was mixed with "Big Pimpin'" either but "Big Pimpin'" wasn't on "Blueprint" or "Black Album" so you might not have the accepella to that.

Can't forget about Mariah either, she's sexy and got a great voice. Anyways Xzibit showed love to Will on his song "Criminal Set": "And I’m the only one left from the West that you can’t f*** with But lately I’ve been feelin like Will Smith Why bother with rap when I can get 20 mill’ on a flick ?", he recognizes Will's power and wishes he was there! He also did a cover of Public Enemy's "Fight The Power" on XXX2 soundtrack, he respects the legends! :thumbsup:

Yeah I don't know what's up with that, that's messed up, 2Pac never won any Grammies, KRS never won any Grammies, Nas never won any Grammies, Public Enemy never won any Grammies either, and yet we see low talented rappers like Nelly and Eminem win a whole bunch of Grammies now, Rakim considers Nelly an r&b artist 'cause he has no right to be dissin' KRS when he's singin' half the time and KRS is always flowin' rhymes not singin', at least back in the days high talented artists like JJFP, LL Cool J, and MC Hammer would win through hard work and dedication, Run-Dmc deserve a lifetime achievement Grammy for what they've done as well, they did a lot to get hip-hop to cross over, but now the gimmick rappers win on the most part except for Kanye West, Outkast, and Lauryn Hill recently, I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Jones wins a Grammy instead of Will next year the way the industry's going! It's kinda ironic that Em talks like he doesn't care about winning a Grammy and yet doing all these gimmicks proves that he's only in it to win Grammies and sell a lot of records, Grammies should come off of hard work, not some gimmick, like Nas said:"You talk black/But your albums sound like they give you nuts for a plaque"

Well those are still great albums to check out too, hip-hop with a message, a lot of MC Hammer's songs seem gospel influenced too. But anyways now if you're talkin' classic gospel, Aretha Franklin and Al Green do a lot of gospel songs, you should really check out their stuff if you haven't yet, classic soul music with heart.