cataboy3 Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 how can u guys say JAY Z is what is wrong with the rap game right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Amor Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 It's hard to say. Cause you got two emcees that I would like Will to work with. I think it would be awsome to see Rakim and Mos Def do a remix to Lost and Found. But I guess I go with Rakim. :thumb: :kool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 (edited) I don't think Jay-Z could come close to these conscious lyrics of Rakim, I never heard him spit somethin' as deep as "Follow The Leader", that song could come out today 'cause the rhyme structure's timeless too: Verse One: Follow me into a solo Get in the flow - and you can picture like a photo Music mixed mellow maintains to make Melodies for MC's motivates the breaks I'm everlastin, I can go on for days and days With rhyme displays that engrave deep as X-rays I can take a phrase that's rarely heard, FLIP IT Now it's a daily word I can get iller than 'Nam, a killin bomb But no alarm - Rakim will remain calm Self-esteem make me super superb and supreme But for a microphone still I fiend This was a tape I wasn't supposed to break I was supposed to wait, but let's motivate I want to see who can keep followin and swallowin Takin the making, bitin it and borrowin Brothers tried and others died to get the formula But I'ma let ya sweat - you still ain't warm You a step away from frozen, stiff as if ya posin Dig into my brain as the rhyme gets chosen So follow me and were ya thinkin' you were first? Let's travel at magnificent speeds around the Universe What could ya say as the Earth gets further and further away Planets are small as balls of clay Astray into the Milky Way - world's outasight Far as the eye can see - not even a satellite Now stop and turn around and look As ya stare in the darkness, ya knowledge is took! So keep starin soon ya suddenly see a star You better follow it cause it's the R This is a lesson if ya guessin and if ya borrowin Hurry hurry step right up and keep followin The Leader Verse Two: This is a lifetime mission, vision of prison Aight listen In this journey you're the journal I'm the journalist Am I Eternal? Or an eternalist? I'm about to flow long as I can possibly go Keep ya movin cause the crowd said so Dance - cuts rip ya pants Eric B on the blades, bleedin to death - call the ambulance Pull out my weapon and start to squeeze A magnum as a microphone murderin' MC's Let's quote a rhyme from a record I wrote (follow the leader) Yeah - dope Cause everytime I stop it seems ya stuck Soon as ya try to step off ya self-destruct I came to overcome before I'm gone By showin and provin and lettin knowledge be born Then after that I'll live forever - you disagree? You say never? Then follow me! From century to century you'll remember me In history - not a mystery or a memory God by nature, mind raised in Asia Since you was tricked, I have to raise ya From the cradle to the grave, but remember You're not a slave Cause we was put here to be much more than that But we couldn't see it because our mind was trapped But I'm here to break away the chains, take away the pains Remake the brains, reveal my name I guess nobody told you a little knowledge is dangerous It can't be mixed, diluted; it can't be changed or switched Here's a lesson if ya guessing and borrowing Hurry hurry, step right up and keep following The leader Verse Three: A furified freestyle, lyrics of fury My third eye makes me shine like jewelry You're just a rent-a-rapper, your rhymes are minute-maid I'll be here when it fade to watch you flip like a renegade I can't wait to break and eliminate On every traitor or snake - so stay awake and follow and follow, because the tempo's a trail The stage is a cage, the mic is a third rail I'm Rakim the Fiend of a Microphone I'm not HIM, so leave my mic alone Soon as the beat is felt, I'm ready to go So fasten your seatbelt, cause I'm about to flow No need to speed slow down to let the leader lead Word to daddy, indeed! The R's a rollin stone, so I'm rollin Directions is told, then the rhymes are stolen Stop buggin', a brother said, dig em, I never dug 'em He couldn't follow the leader long enough so I drug 'em into danger zone, he should arrange his own Face it, it's basic, erase it, change ya tone There's one R in the alphabet It's a one-letter word and it's about to get More complex from one rhyme to the next Eric B be easy on the flex I've been from state to state, followers tailgate Keep comin but you came too late, but I'll wait So back up, regroup, get a grip, come equipped You're the next contestant - clap ya hands, you won a trip! The price is right - don't make a deal too soon How many notes could you name this tune? Follow the Leader is the title, theme, task Now ya know, you don't have to ask Rap is Rhythm And Poetry, cuts create sound effects You might catch up if you follow the records E. wrecks Until then keep eatin and swallowin You better take a deep breath and keep followin The leader. Edited April 30, 2005 by bigted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Wait I misread the Title. I thought You meant ANY track ON Lost and FOund, no the Track itself... Still not changing what I've said earlier, but on that particular track, it'd be Mos Def. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 I think Jay-Z has a lot of skills, but you just can't compare him to Rakim or LL, that's like comparing Lebron James and Vince Carter to Michael Jordan, it's a whole another level with Rakim and LL as far as clutchness is concerned, Jay-Z has potential to get there if he starts rhyming about more intelligent things, he's a lot like Eminem, Em has skills too, but what he rhymes about is meaningless now, he needs to step it up before he could get on FP's level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrano Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 (edited) I think the track is quite good as is so a rmx is not necessary Edited April 30, 2005 by Cyrano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Willie Style Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 (edited) Rakim. The tone of the song and the beat could match perfect with his lyrics. Listen to his verse on "The Watcher 2" with Jay-Z and Dr. Dre. Rakim straight tears that track up! Edited April 30, 2005 by Big Willie Style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Tiger Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 Rakim is just perfect for it. God Blessa! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpinJack AJ Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Rakim should have done something with JJ+FP years ago. When i look at that list, Jay-Z just stands out. Even if his 1st album was good, 1 album dosn't stand up the entired careers like LL and Rakim have. And Mos Def runs circles around Jay-Z easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBlakk05 Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 how can u people say Jay-Z? he's part of what's wrong with the game right now, altho nothing compared 2 other people out there How is Jay-Z part of what's wrong with the game right now? Jay has done but stayed true to who he is, and how he came up. He has one of the best flows in the game right now, hell, his lyrics are up to par - Jay has never disrespected Hip Hop in no form or fashion, and is now President of Def Jam. It's either blatant hate or just a blindless to what you listen to. In the words of Jay himself, "Do you listen to music, or do you just skim through it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBlakk05 Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Basically every album Rakim has dropped is a classic, "Reasonable Doubt" is Jay-Z only legitamate classic, Will needs to work with legends like himself not inconsistant mcs 'cause he's a legend and Jay-Z ain't on their level, even though he doesn't suck as bad as most rappers now, he's retrired now anyway. Mos Def only released 2 albums in 6 years. even though they're both hot, he has to put more work in. I wouldn't mind if Jay-Z or Mos Def did a song with Will but I'm anticipating a collabo with LL and Rakim more than those 2. btw, these lines could be used to diss Jay-Z: "Truck with rims, check Champange Bottles, check Throwback jerseys, check Lots of models, damn that's the list for 90% of your videos and songs Am I wrong?" That's actually online towards what Nas said in "Ether" "Y'all deal with emotions like bitches What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother You traded your soul for riches" Um...1, Jay is never seen with a truck with rims in his video, Jay doesn't wear throwbacks, hasn't worn a Throwback since Blueprint, if you seen a Jay video, he barely has women in it, unless it caters to the song (Dirt Off My Shoulder, and Excuse Me Miss, etc.) Like I said, too many hate on Jay for no reason whatsoever, and as far as the classic comment? Wrong again, Jay has Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint and Black Album, his albums (outside of The Dynasty) have all been above average. Like I said, the blatant hate for Jay, especially when, like I said before, especially when he's been true to himself as an emcee, and has not changed since the day his first album dropped (Except for his subject matter, but you cant speak on the same thing forever, you change, you grow up) Ya'll seriously need to stop being such hip hop purist, and like an artist for what they give you, ESPECIALLY if that artist is being himself and not just doing what sells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBlakk05 Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 And I'm sorry to anyone that said Jay can't be compared to LL, LL had his time, that time has passed. LL's last two albums, are PRIME EXAMPLE of someone doing WHAT sells blatantly. The album before that, G.O.A.T also shows that LL is reaching hard as hell to prove that he still has his 'street cred', even though its hard to even take him serious with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan 4ever Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 (edited) how can u people say Jay-Z? he's part of what's wrong with the game right now, altho nothing compared 2 other people out there How is Jay-Z part of what's wrong with the game right now? Jay has done but stayed true to who he is, and how he came up. He has one of the best flows in the game right now, hell, his lyrics are up to par - Jay has never disrespected Hip Hop in no form or fashion, and is now President of Def Jam. It's either blatant hate or just a blindless to what you listen to. In the words of Jay himself, "Do you listen to music, or do you just skim through it" :werd: There is to much hate on this board when it comes to Jay-z! He's in my list of fav rappers! Check out Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album! This guy has skills! It would be dope if he did a remix to that song with Will, especially cuss he had nothing but love for the album when it first dropped! Edited May 1, 2005 by fan 4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted May 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Ok i have an idea...Will should do 2 remixes to L&F one with Rakim & Mos Def and one with Jay-Z...that's the best way to satisfy his fans! :dancingcool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 (edited) And I'm sorry to anyone that said Jay can't be compared to LL, LL had his time, that time has passed. LL's last two albums, are PRIME EXAMPLE of someone doing WHAT sells blatantly. The album before that, G.O.A.T also shows that LL is reaching hard as hell to prove that he still has his 'street cred', even though its hard to even take him serious with it. LL is at peace with himself now, he don't have to battle other rappers now if he don't want to, but if anyone comes after him, he could still end their careers. Did you actually listen to his last 2 albums? Even his worst albums "14 Shots To The Dome" and "10" are above average, he never came out with a garbage album. He still has a lot of skill left, "Feel The Beat" has more punchlines than Jay-Z' whole catalog in my opinion and how the hell could Jay-Z beat LL when he can't even beat Nas? : Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop [VERSE 1] When Def Jam signed me They hit the lottery It wasn't free but don't call it a robbery They underestimated me quite possibly It's like that when you a godfather B I'm the greatest of all time You heard that before But now when I say it It means so much more Cause It's so true No hype man, No crew No reason for ghost writers Every year I get tighter Mothers and daughters agree I'm on fire Check ya T-Mobile it's all over the wire Cross ya legs baby hide ya desire You think I'm hot You preaching to the choir Smiling and giggling Thirsting like Gilligan More flavor than cinnamon They rush with adrenaline I make 'em nervous I do it on purpose I come back hotter Every time I resurface Drop to ya knees baby Praise the king Now ask Russell Simmons Who built the west wing I ain't gotta be cocky I do the damn thing Paint ya girl with strawberry frosting Internationally known and respected You talk slick I'm too large to be affected You crank call my cells disconnected You keep slipping but my games perfected [HOOK] Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop [VERSE 2] I'm a star for real my aura is crazy Hollywood love me in the streets I'm gravy Born with a gift to inspire the hood You wanna out do me and I wish you would I'm the master separate from all these cats I'm laughin in '86 I balled like that Honey catching feeling from sittin in Maybachs Cause her project hall is smelling like Ajax That's understandable but everybody relax Hate when folk get money and don't know how to act I'm a multi millionaire homey that's a fact But it's not the ice that makes ya wife react Been had an entourage and platinum cards Been getting swedish massage in Boca Raton What you think all them years I ain't pop no Don Spend a night in Trump Towers with a blue eyed blonde I been did it all my Benzes was kitted When you talk like a baller you tickle me with it But yeah there's money out there come on lets get it But I'm a get it in such a way you never forget it Let's go twenty platinum albums in a row Sixty thousand fans a three hour show I could care less who drop and blow My name is LL baby that's beyond the flow [HOOK] Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop [VERSE 3] These rap cats get upset with me When security clear out the V.I.P If honey wanna lounge we gone see ID Ain't no negotiating you gone pay my fee I'm the boss I call the shots to keep it hot I don't have competition I'm bigger than the slot While you waste advances on grey market rocks I cop municipal bonds and Wal Mart stocks A family man but hard as a rock And I die for my kids so stay off my block They might be impressed with you but I'm not After all these years I still walk with a bop Still keep the ink hot Still scheme like a fox Still ready to battle You don't want your career stopped Industry shocked cause I mapped out a plot And ran around humble with my joint on cock [HOOK] Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop Uh yes yes y'all feel the beat y'all Freak freak y'all You don't stop After hearing all the crap on the radio, how could honestly say LL's washed up? :hilarious: I wasn't gonna say anymore, but you gotta respect LL for what's he's done, it's not like Jay-Z' gonna still put out a great album 10 years from now, LL probably still will be putting out more great albums as long as he's still living, stop hating on the legends. 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