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Well some rappers do all they could do just to sell more albums, even sell out on the people that influenced them, Canibus had no right to say that he'd stick a gun to LL's head either, I don't care if it's a battle, LL is a legend and you don't diss him that way, I could see if he's battlin' Ja Rule 'cause he's around the same age and status that he is, LL paid his dues and influenced rappers for so many years, KRS' the same way, Will's the same way, I wouldn't over my dead body consider saying something to hurt the people that influenced me even if we battle, I'll say a punchline more intelligent than say f*** you and I'm gonna kill you, I don't wanna wish death of my favorite mcs even if my records don't sell. Did y'all ever listen to that speech that KRS made in the UK a couple months ago? It's posted over on the BBC.com site, peep out the quote that KRS made, it's relevant to what Will said in the Playboy interview, does Eminem really go around cursing people out and making fun of people all day? I don't think so, his music doesn't reflect his life so he isn't a great example of hip-hop, hip-hop reflects life, it's not about selling records, it's about being yourself.: "Most people don't look at their lives like this and that's why they suffer because there's a cause and an effect and the effect to those causes, if you only exist in the effects you're cool as long as everybody else is in the effects, but when the true schooler of hip-hop shows up that is standing in the cause itself you melt down, Nelly! Just to give you a comparison, this is where the strength comes from, sure you could sell 10 million, 20 million records, the people know where your tree begins. This is why it's unfair to those who are commercially successful in hip-hop, so bogus to say they're hip-hop, those who are commercially, it's unfair to them because they don't know true hip-hop, hip-hop is a consciousness, it's not a CD. A CD is an effect of the consciousness, before anything is made you have to think it, you create it, hip-hop is a consciousness, it's a way of being. How do you be hip-hop? You be yourself, some people say: “What is that? Hip-hop is a simple thing man, you rhyme, your lyrics.” Here is the comparison right here: What is hip-hop? The ability to self-actualize, What is hip-hop? The ability to change subjects and objects when describing your consciousness, I'll get back to that. What is hip-hop? Hip-Hop is the true you, what do I mean by that? Now this part I'm going back to is self-empowerment in hip-hop, I'll leave you on this note."

I wasn't saying that as hating Kanye but I was making that as constructive criticism, Kanye is not in the same league as Jay-Z and Nas, they're in that league with Will: the hall of fame of hip-hop, Kanye did enough not to embarass himself though I'll admit but Jay-Z and Nas stole the show somewhat like they usually do, Cam'ron is impressive, that's the best verse I heard from him in a while, I'm not a huge fan of his but if he keeps spitting verses like that I'll start buying his albums too. btw, here's Vibe's review for "Late Registration": Late Registration By Serena Kim, Vibe October 2005 Issue "West Keeps His Ideals Lofty On Late" 4 Vibes Out Of 5(Superior) When Kanye West strikes that right combination of social consciousness and street credability, the message in his medium is magical. West landed a song about Jesus on the radio, and here, on the exhilaratingly original "Diamonds From Sierra Leone," he's the first mainstream rapper to draw a connection between music-industry ice and Africa's endemic political and economic crises. And that message is even louder when he gets Jay-Z on the remix. But despite this exciting lead single, don't expect Late Registration to blow your brains. Maybe it's because West already transformed urban music from top to bottom with last year's "The College Dropout" and in his more recent beats for John Legend and Common. With a flair for drama and a rapacious sampling of old soul, West started a much-needed intergenerational conversation. And his most brilliant contribution was expressing self-doubt when swagger was the norm. Thuis time, West ambitiously attempts to depart from the street sensibilities of Dropout by giving Late Registration a shiny, quasi-alt-pop finish. Still, the album's recurring theme is a familiar one for West fans: "How can something that's to be bad make me feel so good?" While it is the quintessential ip-hop dillemma, his repeated mea culpa on materialism is tiring. Like your skinny friend who won't shut up about her weight-either love it or leave it or leave it alone. In his earlier work, West was trying to prove that he was as street as he was conscious, and now that he's proved himself(and rubbed our faces in it), he's more confortable taking his prodigious musicality to soaring new heights. Equipped with a grandiose vision and an expert ear, West experiments with darkly rendered marchig-band drums, sweeping orchestral vistas, and chopped-and-screwed-meets-G-funk. Marron5's Adam Levine makes a surprise appearance on "Heard 'Em Say" and delivers a straight-up R&B performance. "Gone" highlights Cam'Ron's gritty and ignorant cameo, which contrasts nicely with West's tightly would braininess. Even after Consequence drops a crisp verse, the song morphs from its frenetic soul piano loop to an explosion of strings, replete with harps and cellos. It's one of many songs that have abrupt musical shifts reminiscent of the Beatles' experimental stage. Late is also more thematically focused than The College Dropout. It's packed with big ideas about black power and hypocrisy and populated with memorably drawn: personalties: a golddigger who's "got a baby by Busta"; a bejeweled 16-year old stunner on the extremely dope "Drive Slow," featuring GLC and Paul Wall. But, there are still too many touchy-feely songs. On the gratingly folksy "Hey Mama," West comes off like the obedient grandson who practices piano inside while the bad kids spit ciphers on the block. When he's less earnest, things are more fulfilling. On "Celebration," West gets chuckles with, "We was practicing till one day your ass bust through the package/And you know what though? You my favorite accident." He sounds more relevant when he joins the street kids instead of pandering to grandmas, Grammys, and grammarians. West wins when he keeps his ideals lofty. It's a thin line between commercial and conscious, between G.O.O.D. and bad, and that's bad meaning good.

:word: Eminem was good when he came out but a lot of wack rappers were good when they came out(I.E. 50 Cent, Mase, etc.) and the thing is like I said yesterday, every rapper that gets a record deal has talent 'cause there's millions that want one but can't get it, so when I say the 6 worst rappers I'm not sayin' that they don't have talent, they just don't have massive talent like the great ones, I'd rank KRS 200/100, Rakim 125/100, Will 100/100, LL 99.9/100, Pac 97/100, Chuck D 96.9/100, Vanilla Ice 5/100, 50 Cent 10/100, Mase 13/100, Trina 13.5/100, Tony Yayo 15/100, Eminem 20/100, Nelly 20.1/100, there's a lot of mcs that don't sell 30 million but'd rip these chart rappers like Eminem, 50 Cent, and Nelly, you throw him in a battle with KRS, Rakim, LL, Hieroglyphics, Masta Ace, Supastition, OC, Skillz, Jean Grae, Melle Mel, Kurtis Blow, MC Shan, MC Hammer, Busta Rhymes, Talib Kweli, Biz Markie, Beastie Boys, De La Soul, Mos Def, Heavy D, Wyclef, Lauryn, Flava Flav, Run-Dmc, Salt-N-Pepa, Slick Rick, Pras, Guru, Diamond D, Treach, Vinnie, Paris, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Az, Fat Joe, Common, MC Lyte, Monie Love, Queen Latifah, Redman, Nas, Jay-Z, DMX, and at least 100 more high skilled mcs, if Biggie, Big L, and Pun came back from the dead wit Pac they'd too, even Ja Rule could beat him(your momma's on drugs/your wife's a slut/what's Hailey gonna be when she grows up?) let alone them, he'd get burned and run out of the ring crying shown on MTV so the world would recognise who the real rap gods are! Will Smith and Pac are the only highly talented rappers to sell 30 million with 100% talent, 0% gimmicks and could hang with all of those rappers I mentioned they might even lose some but they'd all be competitive battles, Em is not competitive enough, he's a gimmick, 90% of Eminem's sales are from gimmicks, 10% from talent since he got signed, 50 Cent is 95% gimmicks and 5% talent since he got signed, it's like they kiss butt to sell records, "Lost is when you're a slave to the biz/with no care to what you're saying to kids)

That's... not going to happen... ← The only rapper that could compete with 50 Cent on the charts is Kanye West at the moment, maybe DMX could give him a run too when his album drops.

Nas and Jay-Z totally outshined Kanye though right? If Will did a song with them he'd be able hang to with them on the track better than Kanye could! :stickpoke:

Eminem might be one of the 6 worst rappers of all time! :rofl: Will did a song with Lil' Kim too so is she the most talented female rapper? :stickpoke: I think the "Born To Reign" song was directed towards Em 'cause he disses rappers that make meaningless songs. Em's last album is horrible and he repeats himself so much, all he does is the same s*** over and over to piss people off by dissin' people, talkin' about his wife, talkin' about his daughter, his songs are too predictable, why do kids buy this crap? "Encore" might be the most overrated album since Vanilla Ice's "To The Extreme". Will puts different concepts in all of his albums, Eminem is one of the fakest rappers ever, his flow is annoying too, you wanna hear a real flow listen to rappers like Heavy D, Wyclef, and Treach, he's only famous 'cause he has a lot of white kids from TRL listen to him, he don't have no street credability, f*** Eminem. Top 6: Rakim, KRS, Will, LL, Pac, Chuck D, 6 worst: Vanilla Ice, 50 Cent, Mase, Trina, Tony Yayo, Eminem :gettinjiggywitit:

I think it's foul when rappers try to make a battle too personal, why the hell would Canibus talk about wanting to put a gun to LL in front of his kids and wife? That's foul! :therain: : "Now watch me rip the tat from your arm Kick you in the groin, stick you for your Vanguard award In front of your mom your 1st, 2nd and 3rd born Make your wife get on the horn call Minister Farrakhan" I like the way LL replied back though, it was classy :lolsign: : "Don't ever open your mouth and mention my seeds Talk about my book you bought to read You know you watch the sitcom n---- so stop that Mad rapper, but now you turned mad actor Forty-nine pounds and tryin to be a monster Run around town with the Bob Marley imposters Ask Canibus, he ain't understandin this Cause ninety-nine percent of his fans, don't exist"

Yeah I saw an add for that, what time was it on? I wanna look out for that show, it was on Fox right?

Here's the rest of the article for those who care: "-Musiq, "Just Friends" Ivan: I did "Just Friends" with Jill Scott in mind, but she wasn't feeling it. When I first met Musiq, he heard that joint and went crazy. But then he pulled a dissappearing act for about a year. He was homeless, sleeping from couch to couch. When we finally caught up with Musiq, it was history. It made everything happen for all of us. -Jill Scott "Family Reunion" Carvin: Jill has everything in her mind, how she wants it, so you can't really write with her. Ivan will have a track, and she'll come with her concept and start writing, and you just gotta be able to catch if anything falls. I didn't know what direction she wanted to go. But as it came about, she was giving a picture of her family reunion. Ivan: It all happened without any cuts. It's like one long scene without any edits. -Mario "Like Me Real Hard" Carvin: When you see these child stars growing up, you think their image is made up and they're not the artists they're potrayed to be. But this guy is sincere. This song came out when a friend of mine was like, "You think you'll fall in love with me?" I said, nah, right now I'm in the position of liking people, so I'll probably like you real hard. -Faith Evans "Again" Carvin: When we sat down with Faith, I told her: people don't want to hear another song, I think you should put your life out there. She was like, "Yo, I'm wide open. Let's go." Originally, as you know, the second verse was, "In ATL I caught a case/Wendy Williams tried to say/I was an addict/With a habit.../Now all the rumors got to stop/No, I didnt have no two 'Pacs." But Faith said, "There's no way I could do that to Wendy Williams because she has actually been down for me." And she was like, "I'm not giving 'Pac no props on my record. I'm not having that." So I rewrote the second part." So Will's not the only one having issues with Wendy Williams, lol. I say this issue's worth picking up when you get a chance 'cause there's a nice tribute to Luther Vandross in there too! I find it kinda ironic that Vibe said that Will sounds like Em and now Carvin and Mario come forward to say something, maybe JJFP saw it and told them to mention that for them! :lolsign:

Wouldn't it just be the best news ever if you arrived there and there is a sign "50 cent will no longer be appearing" ← Well if this is a charity event 50'll probably pull out just like he did for Live 8 so there's no need to worry about it 'cause he'll come up with another exuse not to do it! :damnyou: Nice to hear Will performing there and giving back again! :thumbsup:

"You know they got me trapped in this prison of seclusion Happiness, living on tha streets is a delusion Even a smooth criminal one day must get caught Shot up or shot down with tha bullet that he bought Nine millimeter kickin' thinking about what tha streets do to me Cause they never talk peace in tha black community All we know is violence, do tha job in silence Walk tha city streets like a rat pack of tyrants Too many brothers daily heading for tha big penn Niggas commin' out worse off than when they went in"-2Pac "Trapped"

This is all part of Em's plot to be famous, maybe if we all stop talkin' about him dissin' people there won't be nothin' worth discussing with him anymore, I'm sick of this bulls***, it needs to go back to talent selling, not controversey, Em should stop dissin' people and focus on skills, grow up Em! :paperbag:

Will needs to do something controversial to sell albums, talent doesn't do it anymore, Jam Master Jay would cry if he were alive today to see what 50 Cent has become, another hip-hop gimmick, well it ain't his fault, like Aunt Vivian said in the FPOBA "I just get them to the alter but after that they're on their own", it's the same way with this, "I got 50 his record deal but after that he's on his own"! :gettinjiggywitit: :mad:

Well I think those critics need a hip-hop history lesson, Will is the pioneer not Eminem, just 'cause Eminem's the 1st white rapper to do it doesn't make him any more special, Will was one of the first rappers to do it period, end of story, I remember Tim tellin' me that Hieroglyphics beat Em in a freestyle battle 10 years ago, the truth needs to brought to light that Em is not this rap god that people think he is! :stickpoke: btw, saying f*** you to somebody is not a hip-hop battle, that's fightin' words, I don't take that crap, just like one time I was battlin' somebody in a freestyle battle and he was dissin' my grandmother so I beat his ass, there's certain things you don't say!

I was just searching through the forum for that Playboy interview from 2001 that AJ posted here earlier this year, he talks about how Eminem doesn't really reflect his life in his music 'cause he's just being silly all the time making fun of people, what does dissin' Britney Spears, Michael Jackson, and Will Smith have to do with your life? Maybe he's just mad that Will and Michael wouldn't do a song with him and Britney don't give him no play! :lolsign: : "PLAYBOY: What do you think of the hard-edged rap being made now? Could you see yourself doing that kind of music? PRINCE: I have to live as who i am. I create the music that's in my heart. I talk about the things i feel, and i am in a position that a lot of guys aren' in. I don't have to rap for money. I make what i want the way to make it. It's hard for me to outwardly condemn people for trying to feed their families. PLAYBOY: Are you concerned withsome of the messages in these songs? PRINCE: The bottom line is that a lot of people who have been blessed with this forum aren't really smart. I have educated myself beyond a lot of my peers in the rap world, and, more than anything, here's my beef: I understand what you are saying and what you feel, but the world is begger than what you are rapping about. Just rap about more topics in your world. You mean to tell me, all day long, all you do is smoke blunts, have sex and kill people? You never do anything else? You have never one time in your life really liked somebody, never been soft and acted spun-out over some girl? You never sat outside some girl's house hoping she isn't with somebody when she comes home? Let me hear that story. PLAYBOY: Yor're saying that too much rap is one-sided? PRINCE: Absolutely. We were in a village in Mozambique. Jay-Z and Tupac were scribbled on the walls of a shack with no running water and no electricity. Rap music is black America's contribution to the world, and that is who people around the world thing black Americans are. They represent me. I have less of a problem with Eminem. He is really creative but so far over the top that it's clearly a farce. Eminem isn't trying to make people believe that's really how he lives his life every day. Eminem is silly, having a good time, and he doesn't affect my community. PLAYBOY: Whose work do you most admire? PRINCE: There are alot of guys underground who have skillz, but Jay-Z is the most talented mainstream Hip-Hop lyricist. I just think there are more topics he could explore. He is smart, so i know he will."

I think all hip-hop heads know this already, the kids need to learn though, like I said last week I think that of white kids didn't buy "Willenium" as much as they did "Big Willie Style" 'cause they were mad that Will dissed their new hero Eminem by sayin' rappers shouldn't rap about killin' and curse so much in their songs, Eminem took that as a diss as a gimmick to get all the white kids to buy his albums. :paperbag:

Em must be Keith B Real! :lolsign: "Are you just frontin' Jazzy along for the cameras?", "Charlie Mack take care of him!" :pony: I knew it all along this ain't nothin' new, I think Chuck D's right when he said in one of his terrordomes about how Interscope give Eminem and 50 Cent ideas to sell albums, read between the lines there, he means that they tell them to start dissin' other celebrities and get into fights to sell them some records, the media'll eat it up. Well it's like Carin Haggins says there, "The goal is to make forever music.", JJFP inspire people like Carvin and Ivan to be positive influences through music and I think this'll last longer than the average scheme to sell records, even if Will sells less than Em right now, people'll look back and say that Will's a better rapper and they'll grow sick of Em gradually.

Eminem said "F*** him and f*** you too", wow that's the most original diss ever, he's the Rakim of our generation! :rofl: :hmm: Will laughed it off himself when he was interviewed on the radio about that in 2001, he said that Em's career would end soon anyway, well it ain't soon enough so I think Will should end it for him and stop bein' mr. nice guy. I think even 10 year olds could write a better diss than that, he could use me as his ghostwriter! :stickpoke: 50 Cent does the same thing, he talks all the lame crap about New York rappers in a Vibe issue a few months ago but isn't he from New York? He's frontin' like he never listened to Nas and Fat Joe 10 years ago when he was growing up and they were the top rappers of New York now he wants to act like he's better than them, it's the same thing, they don't respect the legends.

He probably did it to cause controversey. It's like these cats coming out got no respect for the legends, like why'd Nelly diss KRS? why'd Cannibus diss LL? Tell me why! :mad: They just wanna benefit off of the controversy 'cause they suck. Em's whole career's a damn gimmick and more people're into the propoganda, Will's a class act that has proved that you can sell albums with talent not propoganda.

50 Cent had a lot of street cred when "Wanksta" came out, even legends like KRS were giving him props and sayin' that he was gonna bring hip-hop back to where it needs to be, he shouted 50 out on a song "Underground", "When you're money's spent and you're hanging on to your 50 Cent, get it, you're underground", now I'm sure KRS probably wants to end his career like Nelly, we thought that with Jam Master Jay discovering him he'd be the future of the game ' but it turned out that he doesn't remember anything Jam Master Jay mentored him since gets so high all the time and burned his brain cells, lol, hip-hop heads thought that his album would be like his underground mixtapes but when "Get Rich Or Die Tryin'" dropped we were shocked and realised that he sold out, I bought the album myself thinkin' it'd be a hot album but I played it one or 2 times and buried it in my collection in disgust then gradually gave it away, lol, and he's been known as trash to me ever since! :shrug: I think LL said that on one of his songs about how you leave the streets, there ain't no coming back, I think it was "Back Where I Belong" where Ja Rule was featured on it ironically, lol, 50 lost his cred and his career is about to end soon! :gettinjiggywitit:

Maybe if Jam Master Jay was still alive 50'd turn around to diss Run-Dmc too, selfish bastard! :therain:

Here's some of the article: "To this day we still try and figure out how we're respect as R&B songwriters and producers, when we were originally pure hip-hop heads," says Ivan "Orthodox" Barias, 31, who along with Carvin "Ransum" Haggins, 35, were aspiring mcs before meeting at Jazzy Jeff's A Touch Of Jazz Studios in 1995. "The only reason I started doing r&b is because I hated what it had become," says Philadelphia native Haggins. Born in the Dominican Republic, Barias started making beats, he says, out of necessity. "The guy I used to get tracks from started frontin'" so I said, I'm gonna try to figure this out." And figure it out, he did. Barias and songwriter Haggins formed Karma Productions; they infuse the timelessness of Philly soul into love songs for artists like Musiq, Faith Evans, Joe, and Jamie Foxx, as well as develop new artists with their Home Cookin' Studios and Home Cookin Productions: "The goal is to make forever music," Haggins says. And since karma always comes back to you, their music is destined to do the same. -Will Smith "Big Wllie Style" I: We kept Will's philosophy that if you can imagine it, you can do it. He made you feel like you could try anything in the studio. What's the worst that could happen? If an idea didn't work, you'd just throw it away. C: One day Jazzy Jeff was working on his mixtape and we had Eminem down there. This was before Eminem was Eminem. So, Em was writing this rap for Jeff's mixtape. When he looked up and saw Will walk in, he looked back down at his paper, but his pencil didn't move for a good five minutes. And then Will was like, "Oh you did the 'Bonnie and Clyde' record? Yo dude, you're really talented." And Em actually said, "You know, some of my storywriting concept comes from what you and Jeff did," which was the craziest thing." So deep down Eminem really does respect Will, we could show this to all the haters that love Eminem, I got some haters in mind already! :rofl: :word:

I wished Jam Master Jay discovered somebody who's positive and talented like AJ instead of 50 Cent!