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willreign, stop that propaganda bull**** please. thats not appropriate in any way...

the first verse? that wasnt the whole first verse. damn this is so sad. btw, what the hell is he doing at "Bild Zeitung"??? That paper is nothing more than a piece of trash.

well, here in germany people arent really interested in FPOBA anymore. They really have all the sitcoms in the stores except FPOBA, thats pretty sad even television wont air it anymore.

now dont tell me that nothings wrong with that guy. his son is still a child and doesnt really know anything about life. Jadens always made a strange impression to me. So a tree stops growing and river flowing just because a child says its stupid. i really thought that he's better than that. it looks like we'll never ever see a new album again.

new stuff in a long time. sounds good to me!

i just can talk on behalf of my own religion but thats not the point here. Every human with a brain between his two ears should know what scientology is. even if other group of people did bad things, this just cant justify the whole criminal character of scientology. man, its fundamental to set this whole thing apart. its really important to look beyond his own plate. please inform yourself about scientology and religions. its so sad, there are a lot things going on in this world resulted from misinformation and ignorance.

so you dont think? and thats the reason why its just not true or what? i gotta tell you something, its not about what you think, its about facts. man i have nothing to say actually, cause you really dont know what scientology is all about. there are facts! you must be blind or just stubborn or not interested at all to not see them. to compare this whole situation to an illuminati conspiracy is so ridiculous, it just shows me that you're not into it at all. you're talking about bits and pieces, maybe you should go out and look for some ex members who can tell you a lot more than just bits and pieces. you just dont like the idea of what could've happened regarding Will and Scientology, but i'm saying it again, please dont start to play that whole thing down. btw maxfly, have you ever heard of something called lobbyism in politics and special interests? a group of people with a lot power and money who could possibly support your election campagne? think about it. and do you know whats funny? it happened a lot of times that really big foundations, who even had their own programms in television, supported by a lot of famous people with all that gloss and so on, were sued due to money laundering and corruption. there's a saying here in germany that says, don't trust a statistic you didn't fake yourself. and don't think that you're in a position to laugh about me, cause this whole scientology thing can come back to you one day. maybe you're just living a too good life, where such bad and evil things are impossible to be true, but fact is that the world spins the other way around.

of course im mad that he doesnt make an album. thats just one more point which makes me crazy. but you should just inform yourself about scientology and its interns, i dont want to explain the whole thing, thats not what i want to talk about here. people just dont see that they're exploited and utilised by scientology, cause you get the extremely opposite impression once you started. people who dropped out of scientology just had realized that when they got older and wiser. iits up to you if you believe that those organizations are doing good things just for the sake of it. but once you got into the facts of scientology, you'll see how this machinery works and how they attempt to achieve their goals. a good comparison to the way scientology acts would be capitalism and its dark sides. its just all about manipulating the psyche of the human beeing and you can easily see that their not only almost active in any social area, but also all over the world. and thats what im really concerned about. they are too powerful and you know what happens when a group of people get more and more power. its going to be a main influence and sometime in the future politics will have to comply with scientology in the race for votes. its also gonna be about representing their interests, when you wanna be president or whatever. you should really think about what consequences it could have. and btw, this marriage stuff and about the old environment i talked about, they just make you do that when they think that those people are a obstacle and a negative influence for you and so further on for the "church", and generelly they are. its ok when you donate money to a muslim charity (i'm a muslim btw) cause that religion is not about exploiting the human beeing. its based on humanity (in case you read and inform yourself about scientology, watch out particularly for the meaning of that word in their life philosophy). you just cant compare a criminal organization to a worldwide religion. btw, i used to donate my old clothes to various organization for helping people in africa but i stopped and do you wanna know why? because i found out that instead of giving it to them for free, it usually happens that they sell it for a good amount of money to some local sellers. thats shocking but true. if you wanna help someone, go and give it to the beggar personally.

well maxfly, he is manipulated in that way that he is ready to give money to scientology. its not about for what kind of charity he gave the money for. its about the ethnic and spiritual intentions all those scientology foundations have. yeah, maybe this money is going to help indigent people, but that way, those people are going to be depended from scientoloty. its like they're going to be deeple indebted to scientology. its like missionary. you just cant take this whole situation so superficially. scientology acts and aims its goals on a mental level. and all those scientology charities do have the same goal. its all about "production" and recruiting new members, to destroy their lifes and making them dependend to the organization. married people divorce just after 6 weeks of auditioning, they break all their ties to their old environment, spend thousands of dollars. i hope you know what manipulating means, you change even though you dont realize it. Scientoloy knows how to tackle that. all those sessions and auditionings they do, manipulates your spirit in that way, that you feel strong and fearless. it starts with letting you make excersices which makes your body produce endorphins (f.e. stare in someones eyes for 2 hours), which cosequently makes you feel good. you gain a lot selfesteem and start to feel comfortable in that environment. they really studied the human body and spirit and know how to benefit from it. and to say that Scientology is to almost 70% 0r 80% just like the other religions is pure garbage and shows me that Will just tried to play that whole criminal organization down. Will said he studied scientology and all the other religions, i doubt that, cause any normal person who's really into the facts would try to stay away from anything related to them. and btw, scientology members are known to be obsessed of teaching people how great their life can beover and over again, by doing exactly the same they do. and for me Will is pretty damn obsessed in any way. if he's really in scientology, i dont know when he got into it, but that dude is going crazy. maybe some of you should just inform yourselves about scientology, maybe then you'll see the patterns. the thing is that everything looks so good and positive, but in reality its nothing more that exploiting the human. you're nothing more than a machine/value. a tool they get to make it act out of self-determination, of which the organization benefits in the end. and when you become useless, they'll throw you away like a piece of trash. btw, im not used to talk about such deep and meaningful topics in english, so my expression could be wrong in some places :)

its not right when you save 10 people's lifes and have killed one person on the other side. you cant overlook and play it down, just because he donated 9 times more to christian churches. come on there are already known facts now. he has opened up his own private school for his kids with scientology teachers. now he has donated 50.000 to a hollywood scientology charity. just forget about one second that he's one of our idols, what he did and what he's doing is wrong man. he hangs out a lot with tom cruise and do you remember what Will once said on an interview? if you wanna know who you are, just have a look at the 5 closest people you surround yourself with and you'll know who you are. and if you had studied scientology and how this organization works, you would have known that those people are after people, who are just like Will. People with selfesteem and ambition are the best candidates to be manipulated. everything just fits so perfectly. a lot of actors kept it secret, so why not Will?

thats a true word right there Jim! lets hope it'll flop!

of course he can do what he wants with his money, but dont expect me to agree with all he does man. i dont wanna tell him what to do with his money, its just that i dont respect it. i cant tell Mr. Bush what to do as the most powerful person in the world, but i still can judge and make my opinion about his politics. i guess you dont see the point here. man, you should inform yourself about scientology, those people can ruin your life if they want to. it looks like you're trying to play down what scientology is really about. thats the way it all starts and Will definately knows that he is influencing a lot of people's life and point of view as a rolemodel. it looks like its already working, you're the perfect example for that. i will never ever support anybody and anything related to scientology, you get it? it could be my best friend or anyone else and yeah Will is loosing my sympathy. its so sad that he got into that circle no matter if he's a real scientologist or not. there are facts and you cant deny them.

ale, you know what? you're a blinded fan man. first of all, i wouldnt consider anything at all related to scientology as a charity. and second this organization is criminal and Will Smith supports them. btw, give me one reason to believe what Will's saying, he lied to his fans, he didnt even make music even though he promised he'll be touring and making music for the next 8 months when L+F came out, just to name one example. it sounds more like you're just a fan of him, because of his nice movies. i always looked up to that dude, how he handled his whole life. but that scientology crap is making me sick. i wasnt really a fan of his movies, but i supported him generally because of his character.

its not like, that i have to support everything Will does. i'm really upset with all that stuff he's doing recently. and as a long time JJFP fan i can speak freely about it. i dont see your point. and no, im not respecting what he's doing cause, its madness what he's doing by chasing after an oscar. he lied often to his fans and really i'm not really impressed by that.

really, if he's really into all that scientology stuff, i'll stop following anything related to his person. Will is actually such an intelligent person, but with scientology he'll be nothing more than a criminal to me. lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

thanks timboat, i wont watch that movie for sure now. man.. can somebody tell me what to do as a JJFP music fan now? im not interested in his acting stuff at all. for me he just cant act and tim just confirmed what i've thought about his acting and the movie in general.

why the hell am i losing interest in that dude? really he starts to annoy me. somebody else feeling like that? he's really alienating himself. the problem is that i've never been a fan of Will as a movie star and now that he left music, there's no real reason to bother myself with all that concealed stuff about his real person. sometimes i think that all that stuff he's saying and rapping are just true and accurate when he's in a specific mood. just my two cents

recording and writing/producing is not the same dont you think?

they made the album in two weeks in jeffs basement. thats all i know.

we'll see. i think that it won't happen in the next 2 years. he never had such a long break. and regarding Jeff, i hope he won't ruin another JJFP classic in his future projects. i still couldn't get used to BNF2K7.

sorry brakes, but thats the impression i have. i mean his acting fits perfectly into a movie as long as he plays his own character, otherwise its just so unnatural. as an skilled and talented actor you dont have to talk like muhammed ali all day long with everybody, even in your private life. i just cant imagine denzel walking around all day long talking like malcom x. see, thats what i mean.

i just dont get it, why is it bothering you? Will is contributing enough to destroy his FP image himself. heck, he didnt even make one JJFP track in 10 years. we had one track produced by JJ on L+F and thats it. he didnt even want to make that Brand New Funk Remix, damn thats their all time classic, its not too much to go into the studio and record one damn track. im just so pissed off, saw the trailer to seven pounds and i just had to shook my head... what a mess, hes ****ing up his whole career.

:thumbdown: :thumbdown: Will is such a bad actor, just have a look at him, he is so untalented as a serious actor. maybe he can play his own character perfectly and better than anybody else could, but when it comes to high level acting hes nothing more than an amateur. damn that dude turned into an obsessive pathological maniac. Will is definately losing all my respect, he cares about nothing than getting that oscar. his movies are getting worse and worse. people wont visit his movies anymore in a few years if he keeps making such "i wanna be serious and cry" movies. in the end he'll end up like Bill Murray at the oscars... do what you can, and thats making people laugh. why is he trying to be something that he is not? he just cant act, you can see that from the first second on.

no MIB3 and no IAL prequel. Stick to the Mic will :) Or make another Enemy of the State or Bad Boys.

a prequel to a bad movie? please not... still waiting for a new album :sipread: