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its the stuff u wish you could see more of... i was just in NYC last week, and people were ruder than EVER...but then this man showed there is still good out there...

me the same...but it should be expected that an album that has absolutely NO requirements (since it isn't on sale!) would exercise a very creative and unique flow...

too much to list for me. let's just say the good I will hold onto forever and the bad I will use to better myself.. goodbye 2006! hello 2007!

in this instance, it isn't "repeating it until you believe it yourself" but rather, someone "telling you what you don't want to believe/hear" ya it sux to admit it, but hip hop is dead. and by dead I mean not popular. Anyone can come out with a Hip hop album. but it won't be as successful as gangsta rap. period. nas won't sell 50 cent numbers. and some may say, "well 'Hip Hop is Dead' is a Hip hop album, and it's getting support, so how can Hip hop be dead?" well let's be real, the only reason why the general fans and media care is because he's created controversy over the title, not because of his content. and as Eric Bischoff says "Controversy Creates Cash"

but the album and the movie had no real connection. so I don't think it's fair to tie the two. And I don't believe many people actually did attach em. It woulda been different if he had a song with that title. but in response to the topic, I believe yes and no. Success in moving units initially:yes. success in over all quality of both products: no, one will inevitably fail in quality, as Will alluded to in that one song

thank you very much; this is an awesome Christmas surprise! Merry Christmas Everyone!

yes this song! when I first heard the beat, I thought it was sickkkkkk, and then I got pissed by the way he rapped it. But then I realized that it was some kind of detective story. I miss stories in rap. Thanks for the full decipher, I picked up some hints, but I still am new to alot of the old.

i wont lie, i worry the premise could undo the film's success

let there be light-nas, tre williams

have to disagre. i think in every way, nas' song is better. and his cd, IMO, could have come out at any time within the last 10 years and I'd still say it'd be beating the competition

On HipHopDX.com today, they had a four page article/interview with Will. http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/lifestyle-fe...to-king-william that's the first page, then just hit next> on the page for the next 3 pages. good read.... soo he goes to the King of Prussia Mall within the next week eh? ......hmm I think I'm gonna go for a drive lol now that I'm finally back in the philly area

you cant wave off luda like that he is the current king of metaphors and punch lines

right now im studyin for 2 more finals so i dont have the time today to make a comprehensive list at the moment altho i will say, turntable, your list is very much along the lines of what i'd pick

"holla back" willenium b-side.

When looking through this forum, I found out that on the single CD for freakin it, there was a b-side named "holla back." I searched this forum quite extensively but I don't know where it is, if in fact it is up. Does anyone know if it is on this site, or if you have a link? I'm not trying to post old stuff; maybe I just missed it when looking through the 20 some pages of topics. thanks

RIDICULOUS argument. :shakehead:

wow, same room for him writing rhymes?? that's definitely awesome, not just saying hi, but where he's creatively coming up with his stuff. now i'm new to the idea will has had ghost writers. is there proof? has he said so? i am really unaware. this is awesome tho, alot of back and forth stuff, not neccessarily the same topic, but awesome to see the thought processes in other fans of hiphop

Correction. Eminem WAS major skilled correction eminem IS MAJORED SKILLED I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Em is still skilled! What was the last decent verse he put out when he wasn't babbling?? Look back over 'Infinite' 'SSLP' and 'MMLP' and tell me thats the same Em spitting today. Its incomparable! His rhyme scheme has fallen waaaaaaaaaaaay off, his subject matter, everything about him! I used to be the biggest Eminem fan back in the days when he was lyrical but not it annoys me now to listen to anything he is on! He is not the same rapper as he was early on in his career. FACT! Here is Em in my opinion at his peak: Jay Z feat Eminem - Renegades Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it But if it don't, then y'all can swallow the truth grin and bear it Now who's the king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America as a motherf***in drug addict - like you didn't experiment? Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents You f***in do-gooders too bad you couldn't do good at marriage! (Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*} And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just a And this is his recent offering Akon feat Eminem - Smack That Ooh! Looks like another club banger. They better hang on. When I throw this thang on. Get a little drink on. They goin' flip. [ these lyrics found on http://www.completealbumlyrics.com ] For this Akon ****. You can bank on it. Pedicure, manicure, kitty cat claws. The way she climbs up and down them poles. Lookin' like one of them Pretty Cat Dolls. Tryna hold my woody back through my drawers. Steps off stage, didn't think I saw her. Creeps up behind me and she's like, you're - I'm like, yeah I know, let's cut to the chase. No time to waste. Back to my place. Plus from the club to the crib's like a mile away. Or more like a palace, shall I say. And plus I got a pal. Every gal is game. In fact he's the one singing the song that's playing! (Akon!) Now look at the way the sentences are constructed and the rhyme pattern! You'd think two different rappers wrote and recorded this. Think what you want but to call the Eminem that is out now 'majorly skilled' is just plain wrong! :shakehead: ok come on now, i can't be quiet on this one. Em was the king of controversial lyrics, but then people said, well can he make a club banger, and he showed he easily can with smack that. but hey, if you're going to run renegade lyrics against his new stuff, why not against his new stuff that is worth comparing in terms of being serious subject matter? Smack that and renegade had two different audiences meant to address. Now try putting Renegade up against No apologies: No Apologies- Eminem Verse 1: In my mind I'm a fighter, my heart's a lighter. My soul is the fluid, my flow sparks it right up. An arsenic writer, author with arthritis carpal tunnel, Marshall with start ****-itis hardheaded and hotheaded bullheaded and pigheaded dick-headed, a prick, a big headache I'm sick, quick-witted for every lyric spitted there are six critics who wait for me to slip with it so quick this dynamite stick bury the wick its gonna explode any minute some lunatic lit it and it's not Nelly do not tell me to stop yelling, when I stop selling I'll quit so stop dwelling, I am not failing you ****ers are not ready cause I got jelly like Beyonce's pot belly this is destiny, yes money I'm off runnning so get off of me I'm not slowing or softening. Verse 2: My head hits the pillow, a weepin' willow I can't sleep, a pain so deep it bellows but these cellos help just to keep me mellow hands on my head, touch knees to elbows I'm hunched over emotion just flows over these cold shoulders are both frozen, you don't know me I keep sayin' it. I cant stress it enough so keep playin' it and stand next to the subs I choke mics like asphyxiation while I'm strangling my own throat masturbatin' (haha) **** yeah I'm a basketcase and I master this rap **** til' my ass gets wasted. til' my assassination, til' I'm slain cause of some fag's infatuation 44 mag, a fascination, a taste for disaster and if thats the case then. Verse 3: This song isn't for you it's for me, A true MC it's what I do just to see if he still has it and if his skills mastered he's able to spill raps long after he's killed that's a, real MC, got you feelin' me whether willing or unwillingly you still agree As long as there's still this hunger and will in me Then expect the longer life expectancy I'd be a savage beast if I ain't have this outlet to salvage me inside I'd be exploding soaked in self loathing and mourning So I’m warning you don’t coax me its silly I'm really a sheep in wolf's clothing who only reacts when he gets pushed don't be fooled the press blows up this whole thing it's stupid, they don't know cause they don't see that I'm wounded all they did was ballooned it I'm sick of talking bout these tattoos Cartoon did thats why i tuned it out, I'm sick of dukin' and they can suck my dick while I'm pukin' and you too you can expect no sympathy from me I'm an MC, this is how I'm supposed to be cold as a G my hearts frozen, it don't even beat so expect no apologies expect no sympathy from me I'm an MC, this is how I'm supposed to be cold as a G, my hearts frozen it don't even beat so expect no apologies. Now I'm not saying No apologies is better, but it definitely carries itself alongside Renegade. Eminem hasn't lost skill, he's just diversified. Most rappers go from club bangers to branching out into thought-provoking music. Em WAS ONLY thought-provoking music, and decided recently, with Shake that, smack that, and Welcome to Detroit to try and have some fun. But he still got it.

HAHAHhAHAHAH yess!!!

I've been spending time really evaluating my top list of all time (in opposed to studying for finals ), and I have definitely changed my mind on alot of things. I realized I can be realllllly influenced by hip hop's current climate. And by what some rappers say in self-promotion. But it seems as many times as I look at it, I realllly feel that Ludacris needs a spot somewhere, but I can't place him. Eminem, on the other hand, as much as I can lock myself into listening to him, seems to always just be here for the now, and not someone I see as a legend ten years from now. Maybe I'm just on the Ludacris bandwagon, but creatively, metaphorically, I have such a hard time putting too many rappers ahead of him. And now he's really starting to bring out important aspects into his rap. He never "limited himself to the south" so he doesn't just sit there as a great South rapper; I believe you can discard the "South" tag. The other thing is, I see that we almost make our list as an East Coast Exclusive, with 2 to 3 exceptions. Are we just blind by the East Coast version of Hip hop? Or is that just the greatest "brand" if you will? I can't get over the fact I want Ludacris in my list, but I can't figure out where because he's almost like an exclusive case to himself. Eminem is just like there and I have no clue how to rank him. Can we even rank? maybe we have to say "Best rappers of this type of hip hop" "Best rappers of that type of hip hop" Any Ideas? It's bugging me to no end....

I hear ya on that. I think that anything can be pushed to sell what 50 has sold, but you have to dump tons of money out there, or somehow generate 50's buzz using controversy. Since Will isn't one for starting crap, he didn't have the controversial aspect. So you say, ok, the only other option would be to lay out tons of money? Not really, instead I believe that when something like Lost and Found moves the units it did by mostly carrying itself in content not singles (minus the hit "Switch" of course), you can say, well that proves how good the album really is. But to answer your question, if all you are concerned about is the bottom line, then yes, they could have easily increased sales with a more focused promotion scheme. But Will has never been one to do that. Only up-and-coming controversial rappers and the older, self-proclaimed greatest get that treatment.

GOOOOOOD POINT

First it was Lil' Wayne, who basically said that Jay-z has nothing on him, and later yesterday, elaborated to say he is better than everyone out there. Then Jeezy sounded off on Nas, making it clear he didn't feel Nas had credibility. Now Jay and Nas are no longer the young ones coming up. They are the part of a generation of hip-hop that is getting older. My question is, with all this hate coming back to the two, for "coming back cause the game needs me" (Jay) or cause "hip hop is dead" (Nas): Is it that Jay and Nas are just acknowledging that this genre of music is degraded and continuing to decrease in quality, or are they just "ol' folk" who don't wanna give it up that the new breed is here, and that's the direction it's going, with or without em? Idk what I really feel. I feel alot of what Jeezy puts out, but I reallly love the stuff Jay and Nas keep coming out with. But aside from Papoose, who is out there that can commercially be as successful as Nas or Jay down the line while still holding on to "hip hop" as Nas and Jay subscribe to?

not the leak of the Whole album, that hasn't been brought up. only when the single released. this is the whole ablum. When the single leaked I posted that forum topic.

i guess no one cares :shakehead: regardless, i believe its the best album of the year.