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:iagree: Like Rakim says "It Ain't Where Ya From, It's Where Ya At", hip-hop is universal, I'm living in a surburban community myself so I don't really talk 'hood stories in what I rap about since that ain't my life, I used to live in an urban area until I was like 9 years old and I consider it a blessing to be in the suburbs now too, it's a lil' nicer area to grow up at, I like to talk about now more than then but there's always drama everywhere so JJFP and LL probably did live in the suburbs when those things did happen but they don't emphasise about it in all their songs, a lot of commercial rappers would probably just talk about what happened until they were 9 rather than now.

-But Ted, you know very well that these are not the only factors that affect how well an album does, and those things have absolutelty no bearing on why Party Starter is coming out so late and why Lost and Found is so low on the charts... (Lost and Found started off very well... I don't think I have to remind people of that). I think that's our debate here. We're trying to bring in every possible reason as to why the album is where it is, but none of them can or will ever explain away the late release of Party Starter and the fact that this late release is a mistake and that it is hurting how well Lost and Found is doing. Hey Max, you're right, there's no excuse for delaying "Party Starter" so late, but why did "Code Red" sell so lil' when it had 5 singles, including a #1 hit "Boom! Shake The Room"? I think Jive helped promote JJFP the best, Columbia and Interscope sorta dropped the ball for real.

:iagree: but the millions that like 50 Cent/Eminem/Mike Jones don't feel that way is what I'm saying, 50 Cent/Eminem/Mike Jones= selling millions if there were more high skilled rappers selling millions like Common, Nas, LL, and Talib Kweli then Will would fit in that one and on that note: Will Smith/Common/Nas/ Talib Kweli/ LL>every platinum rapper out now since Skills>Selling Millions, I still wanna see "Tell Me Why" 'cause I think that's the type of song that could win Will a Grammy next year, it stands out more than anything out and should receive some credibility the way that "Jesus Walks" did last year when Kanye beat out 50 Cent for the Grammy even though he sold less

I doubt it'll be anything better than what they've done recently, even though it ain't all that, there's been a lot of crap I heard comin' out on G Unit, how many good albums came out from there? Mobb Deep should sign with a label with more quality than that, they've been in the game for a decade, they should be smarter than that, you could sell a lot on G Unit but there's no quality, artists on less popular labels get good money too. I don't see Mobb Deep breakin' that streak and btw we all have choices in life to make money, you could be Lost or Found to make it but the Found ones will win in the end even though the lost ones might have more sometimes than the found, like I try to be found by going to college to find myself a good career while somebody else my age might be trying to take the easy way out acting lost by selling drugs or going into prostitution, but 5 years from now I'll be having a nice career while the ones who're living the fast life could die of AIDs or get shot even though they might be having more money than me right now, it's just like that between Will Smith and 50 Cent, Will Smith will still be in the game making albums 5 years from now and 50 Cent will be laughed at by the public and his career will be over, it takes longer to get ahead when you be honest sometimes but in the end you win, when you sell your soul out you'll suffer eventually 'cause the wrong things you've done to people'll come back to you, JJFP and LL Cool J are great examples that you could keep your soul and make money at the same time, I look up to them not Mobb Deep or 50 Cent.

One more point I gotta make to get this clear once and for all, JJFP actually promoted "Code Red" better than "Big Willie Style", and yet "Code Red" sold 200,000 and "Big Willie Style" sold 9 million, it's just a matter of luck and timing sometimes that you sell a lot, "some stuff works and some stuff don't/you work like hell still get hurt like hell", everybody was feelin' Dr. Dre back in '93 and in '97 people wanted lighter music after the deaths of Pac and Biggie, now people just want 50 Cent/Eminem/Mike Jones and Will doesn't fit into the equation.

:iagree: If it's good music people'll buy it eventually, it took 6 years for Nas' "Illmatic" to go platinum and that's one of the best albums of all time. People were riding the Will Smith bandwagon back then, that's why he sold so much on "Big Willie Style", that's the point I was making, selling 9 million isn't a mistake I'd say since not many rappers have done that, everybody struggles with sales. Even if he released as much singles as 50 Cent does doesn't mean he'd sell as much as him, he might've went platinum but that doesn't really make too much of difference if he does or doesn't 'cause he's sold 30 mill already, look at Kanye West, he released 4 singles for "College Dropout" just like 50's "Get Rich..." and it only sold 2 million when 50 sold 7 million, positive rap is hard to sell in the 1st place, Kanye's younger than Will and that's the only reason he'll sell a lil' bit more, Will's older too and he's not in style like he used to be, there's a lot against Will where he could've only sold 100,000, how many rappers his age are doing the type of numbers Will is? One day 50 Cent won't be popular either, btw, let's make a blog out of this topic. :tednmax:

Yeah Timbaland laced LL well on "The Definition", Teddy Riley produced a song on there too, and Pharrell did a lot of great work on "10", LL works with a lot of great producers. Wasn't there a rumor of LL reuniting with Rick Rubin on "The Definition", I wouldn't mind hearing Rick Rubin/LL together again after hearing that great production he did on "99 Problems" for Jay-Z, he still got it, those are the type of beats LL kills!

That's true, at least he didn't try to hide that he's only in it for the money.

Well FP said in "The Real Deal" interview on the JJFP.com homepage that he knew drugdealers and there was killings in West Philly and I think LL wrote about the drama in Farmers, Boulevard in his book, they grew up with that but they didn't put that in their music so people think they lived in the suburbs just 'cause they don't talk 'bout the 'hood life much in their music, they just don't live that now so they don't talk 'bout it now, some rappers stress too much of their 'hood past and don't talk about how they're living now.

I've been listening to "Big Willie Style" more often lately too, it's such a great album to bump in the summer! :rockon:

Those bags look a lil' too heavy for P. Diddy to carry. :lolsign:

I'm not really that much into Mobb Deep but I wouldn't call them wack 'cause they're down with Run-Dmc and LL Cool J and they do some hot stuff in between, not as consistant as when they came out though in my opinion, on that note seeing them sign with G Unit doesn't really make much sense to me, especially since 50 Cent even dissed them too on a song he said something like, "I'm gonna do ya ass the way Jay-Z did Mobb Deep", they're punks to sign to somebody that dissed them, they might as well sign to Def Jam then 'cause at least Jay-Z puts out better quality than 50 Cent, even Prodigy said that they signed there just for the money, he should gave a holla at his homeboy LL though if he needed some paper, they're a dissapointment now where before I didn't really just pay much attention to them, I'd rather keep my pride and be broke than work for somebody that's dissin' me. :noooo: The title of Public Enemy's future album could be used towards sell-outs like them, "How You Sell Your Soul To Souless People?", it sounds like a good concept, I hope Chuck D disses these wack mcs a lot on that album when it comes out next summer. EDIT: I noticed that Mobb Deep dissed 2Pac again last winter, that's gives me more reason to hate them, they should let the man rest in peace since he can't defend himself now, damn fools, I hope they flop with G Unit. :ShockRifle: "Mobb Deep disses Tupac; Hussein Fatal to reply Friday, November 19, 2004 A new track by Prodigy of Mobb Deep has been released on a mixtape in which Prodigy takes a shot at the late Tupac Shakur. "I only loved Tupac after his death, but man if we'd have bumped heads, you woulda been a mess." This follows a beef between Mobb Deep and Tupac and the Outlawz, after Mobb Deep dissed Tupac in 1995 for no reason other than the media fueld East/West beef. Outlaw members, Napoleon, EDI, Kastro and Young Noble squashed the beef with Mobb Deep a few years ago, so it is surprising to hear such a shot from Prodigy. However, in true Outlaw style, Hussein Fatal, around whom along with the late Kadafi Tupac formed the Outlawz, is said to have recorded a reply to the diss."

I doubt it'll sell 1.6 million in the 1st week, that's wishful thinking unless this turns out to do "Big Willie Style" numbers and outsells G Unit, "College Dropout" only sold 2 million altogether, well I won't be one of those buying this album right away, maybe a few months from now I'll buy it. I don't like it when they call JJFP and LL Cool J suburban rappers just 'cause their music ain't explicit, I thought Kanye referrenced JJFP himself in the interview when I looked at the topic, I guess you're doing anything to get us JJFP fans to buy his album. :lolsign:

Interscope is basically releasing singles the same way as Columbia did for "Big Willie Style", the singles are a half a year apart, it's no different except Will's not that popular now, that's the only difference and the album sales show that fans are not anticipating anymore singles so this will probably be the last one since fans are not buying the album this much this time. :stickpoke:

Thanks for the love! :dope:

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Mobb Deep's only dope album was their 1st album, everything else has been average and signing with G Unit only confirms that they've now headed for mediocre status, I won't even bother to check for their next album 'cause they're sell-outs too. :nhawong:

Die "Switch" Die! :lolsign: "Party Starter" :rockon:

I listen to it quite often still myself I'd say at least 3-4 days a week I'll listen to it still, mostly in the beginning of the day to get me hyped. :yeah:

:interesting: I'm sorry I didn't wish you happy birthday then, well better late than never. :lol:

Here's some more details: "Autopsy Can't Explain Death of 49ers Guard By EDDIE PELLS AP Sports Writer DENVER - The cause of offensive lineman Thomas Herrion's death cannot be determined until toxicology tests are performed, a process that usually takes three to six weeks, a coroner said Sunday. The 23-year-old offensive guard for the San Francisco 49ers collapsed in the locker room Saturday night, minutes after the team's exhibition game against the Broncos on a 65-degree evening in mile-high Denver. He was taken to the hospital and pronounced dead shortly after. "We didn't see anything happen," 49ers defensive lineman Marques Douglas said. "I sat by my locker and prayed for him." Howard Daniel, an investigator with the Denver coroner's office that performed an autopsy on Herrion, said nothing was readily apparent about why he died. "There's no conclusion, pending further studies," Daniel said. The death once again spotlights how dehydration and obesity affect athletes, especially the huge linemen who play in the NFL. Herrion was 6-foot-3, 310 pounds - fairly average for an NFL lineman, but considered obese within standards routinely accepted by the medical community. "Our thoughts are with the Herrion family and the 49ers," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Sunday. "We have been in contact with the 49ers throughout the day to offer our assistance and to learn the details of what happened." Herrion, who played in college at Utah, was on the field for San Francisco's 14-play, 91-yard drive that ended with a touchdown with 2 seconds left in the game. After the game, he was noticeably winded as he walked off the field, but didn't look much different than teammates who played beside him at game's end. The death comes a little more than four years after offensive lineman Korey Stringer of the Minnesota Vikings died of heatstroke during a training camp practice when the heat index soared to 110. NFL teams since have increased efforts to teach players about how to manage the heat. On Saturday night, temperatures in Denver's thin air were in the mid-60s with 50 percent humidity, although experts say heatstroke can happen even in cool weather. It is not known whether Denver's mile-high altitude could have contributed to the death. As a college player at Utah, Herrion played games at high elevation and would have been more used to those conditions than many. In 1979, St. Louis Cardinals tight end J.V. Cain died of a heart attack during training camp. Chuck Hughes, a Detroit Lions wide receiver, died of a heart attack during a 1971 game in Detroit against the Chicago Bears. In April, Arena Football League player Al Lucas of the Los Angeles Avengers died of a spinal-cord injury after making a tackle. Herrion, a first-year player with the 49ers, spent part of last season on the San Francisco and Dallas practice squads. He also played this season with the Hamburg Sea Devils of NFL Europe. Herrion played in junior college at Kilgore College in East Texas. Travis Fox, the offensive coordinator at Kilgore, said Sunday he shared an apartment with Herrion for two weeks this summer. Herrion had returned to the school to get in shape before reporting to the 49ers. Fox said Herrion never struggled during intense drills in 97-degree heat. He added that the lineman had no injuries or health problems while playing at Kilgore. "The young man was in shape," he said. Herrion's nicknames at Kilgore were "Train" and "Big T." Fox said he was called "Thunder" in Germany because his head was too big for a regular helmet. Fox said Herrion always talked about his niece, and family was a big motivation for playing. "When he got here," Fox recalled, "the first thing he told me was, 'I'm going to make this team and buy my mom a nice house.'"

:iagree: If the video comes out it'll be dope to see but if it doesn't it's aight with me 'cause the only that matters to me is that I enjoy the "Lost and Found" album, there's no more to say since I already expressed myself quite a few times in this thread, I think we all made our points in this thread already too, there's no need to overstress, you gotta understand that this is a buisiness, a lot of videos/albums get delayed and it isn't the artists fault, it's messed up though. :ponder:

I'm gonna definately check out "14 Shots To The Dome", I don't like it when peeps diss "Code Red" by saying that JJFP sold out to gangsta rap, peeps thought that MC Hammer was going gangsta too when he released the "Funky Headhunter" album but that wasn't the case either, the music just had a more aggressive sound but Hammer still spit positive lyrics, I wonder if those haters actually listen to the music before they diss sometimes. I hope MC Hammer makes a comeback again 'cause he deserves more props than what he gets too, I don't like it when people say he's wack as Vanilla Ice, Hammer has clearly had a better career since "Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em", "Too Legit To Quit", and "Funky Headhunter" were dope albums, Vanilla Ice is a one-hit wonder, that's like comparing Pac to Biggie, Pac was clearly better to me and I'm from the east coast but I'm sorry Biggie was ripped hard on "Hit 'Em Up", that's just how I feel but I need more Pac albums too, I only got "All Eyez On Me" and his greatest hits, I downloaded some tracks off "Me Against The World" but I never got a chance to buy it yet, that's one of the next albums I'm gonna get. '87-89 and' 93-'95 seem to be the highlight years in hip-hop, it's like all my favorite albums of all time come from that era, I'm hoping that it could get back to that soon, by the time I started listening to hip-hop in '96 it started dying, especially after 2Pac was murdered, now there's only a few good albums and rare classics in between, I hope to actually witness a golden era soon.

I'm gonna be voting for Rev. Run's video to get on 106 & Park until "Party Starter"'s video comes out since he's a JJFP potna, it's important to get all ol' school hip-hop mcs back to the top again! :rockon: