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3/4 of the performers and artists on the MTV show were hip-hop, not necessarily good hip-hop, but they're hip-hop, most of the albums that top the charts are hip-hop albums, which sorta isn't a good thing in a way 'cause there should be all varities out there for people, even hip-hop on the radio used to be diverse now it's all a continuation or maybe even a remix in some cases of the same song, the diversity of hip-hop lives under the radar like I stated earilier basically like it used to for a while when it came out and wasn't popular, fuq and I were having a discussion about that the other day.

It'd be a good idea to release "Tell Me Why" to radio even though we won't be able to get a video due to Will's beard, lol, Interscope is the enemy in this situation though, we didn't even get the "Party Starter" video yet, we might not even get that before sept. 11th the way things are lookin', they just ain't puttin' much effort in promoting "Lost and Found".

:iagree: I feel the same way, summer's ending and I'm listening to more conscious rap myself lately, I was bumpin' "Big Willie Style" and "Homebase" type albums quite a bit but now I've been more into "Lost and Found" and "Willenium" type albums, "Tell Me Why" would really be the soundtrack of Sept./Oct, but the only problem if you ask me is Interscope is not doing a very good job releasing songs, if Will had it in his power I'm sure he'd made an effort to release it around this time and would've released "Party Starter" earlier this summer, they're the reason why it won't happen.

Basically the way you're raised is the way you act, my parents take time out to teach me values to think before I talk but there's peeps out there that live in a single parent household and they run the streets all day so they say or do what they want, so you can't really blame them for cursing so much but if all of a sudden I started cursing a lot my parents would be upset with me 'cause they know I don't usually talk like that but maybe some other rappers out there might do that since their parents don't care about them, but rappers like Will Smith and Chuck D grew up in a household where their parents would teach them values like I get taught in mine, I feel like I could relate to them in that aspect, I mean if my mama took a look at my rap notebook and I was cursing like a sailor in it she'd throw it away, lol, but I don't do that, there's certain songs that I can't blast on my stereo either 'cause my parents don't like hearing so many curses, I could bump Public Enemy and KRS-ONE albums and they're cool with that since they ain't cursing like every 5 seconds and all their songs have messages to them, hip-hop needs to go back to where you could play songs that the whole family can enjoy, Chuck D talks about the joy that he and his family shared listening to Aretha Franklin and James Brown while he was growing up, his parents, grandparents, and him would enjoy it all and not be offended, you can't blast 50 Cent and have the whole family enjoy it though 'cause some would be offended, hip-hop is supposed to be for everybody. I don't say n**** 'cause that's disrespect towards my ancestors no matter what way it's put, it's about having pride to stand up for what you believe in. I wasn't really trying to be hard on Kanye in that last post either, he might just be a lil' ignorant about that and that's not his fault, maybe his mama doesn't mind if he says n***, but people criticise Will for cursing in his movies since he tells rappers to not curse in their songs but they gotta realise that Will didn't write the script, he's a songwriter and music you can control so if Kanye, Nas, and every other rapper that says n*** in their songs want to make a conscious effort not to say it in their songs they can 'cause they're the songwriters that have the final say in their art.

:iagree: LL needs to do more songs like these on his next album, it's cool to do songs about the club but songs with a strong message are more special, that's a "Power Of God"/"Can't Think" type song right there, just like I like it more when R. Kelly does those "I Believe I Can Fly" type songs more than those "Playas Only" songs.

Yeah like the way Will said f*** in "Tell Me Why" was there for emotion but he bleeped it out on the final cut, he could call that a gospel song if he wants to and it'd be true 'cause he had the conscious to bleep it out, 2Pac changed the words to some his songs to radio 'cause he also cared about the audience listening to appropriate music on the radio.

I personally thought a lot of the BET Awards sucked too, Will and Jada's commentary was the only fun thing about it except for a couple other moments, to see the biggest representives of hip-hop are 50 Cent, Mike Jones, and The Game tells me that hip-hop is dead on the commercial aspect, the real hip-hop is under the radar.

I like the way Chuck D said n*** on Public Enemy's "LSD", "I ain't gonna call myself a n*** just to get the benjamins". I like too how rappers like Chuck D and KRS could make rhymes without cursing so much, a lot of the conscious rappers comin' up on the scene need to do somethin' like this too, I do find it a lil' disturbing that Kanye said n*** quite a few times on "Jesus Walks" even though it's a great song but he said it's supposed to be a gospel rap song and he even performs it in a church too in the video, every song on the album he says n**** too, Nas says it quite a lot too but he doesn't call his music gospel rap, LL said n*** quite a few times on "Mr. Smith" and "G.O.A.T." but he doesn't go around actin' like it's holy music, Kanye said "College Dropout"'s a gospel rap album on 106 & Park too even thought there's curses, that's wrong to say that though 'cause some people get offended by cursing. He got a song on there where he talks about how big his d*** is, it's aight to make a song like that too if you want since it's all entertainment but just don't call it a gospel album, gospel rap songs are supposed to be clean, that'd be like sayin' "Bad Boys II" is a gospel movie, lol, he can't perform that in a church unless he bleeps out the word, this is what I think makes him a lil' hypocritical to me, he could avoid sayin' that it's a gospel song and that'd be cool, there's other gospel rappers like Cross Movement, BB Jay, and T-Bone that've been doing it for years without cursing but they don't get any popularity, it's like the radio doesn't play a rap song if it don't have edits in it now, if you wanna be a conscious rapper that wants to take a stand you should stop making songs sayin' n****.

After watchin' that MTV Awards crap, I really get the intention that hip-hop is dead, sure that Hammer/Grandmaster Flash moment was sweet but all the other crap before and after that made you forget about that moment, it was also a lost opportunity for millions to see the message that Will had in "Party Starter", especially that important 3rd verse.

Hip-hop needs to go back to being fun again, there's too much drama and egotistical fools just chasin' the money that they don't care about rockin' the house and expressin' their art, I don't blame the rappers though, I blame the commercialism of industry that made it this way and the fans who buy into this crap. :nhawong: I'd rather see Fat Joe outsell 50 Cent 'cause at least he talks about lovin' hip-hop and he pays respect to KRS and LL, 50 got no heart at all.

At this point I don't blame him, they don't delay releasing his movies like they do his videos, the movie industry treats Will with more respect than the music industry does, it appears that he's gonna have to fight somebody to release the "Party Starter" video, he don't have that aggrevation with his movies 'cause they come out when they're scheduled to, the music industry's forcing all the great mcs out, it might get to the point where Will might not wanna record anymore.

I don't think Common dissed 50 Cent, he used just used him as a reference, "I ain't 50 Cent but I'll still say bitch it's your birthday", now 50 might've even took that personally but he knows if he says somethin' about Common his career will be over 'cause Common's on top of his game. Fat Joe's easily one of the better commercial rappers out now 'cause he actually has some skills, he just needs to get off that pop tip and do some more of that boom-bap hip-hop he did in the mid-90s when he was touring with KRS, maybe since his new album flopped I'm hopin' he goes back to his old roots again and really put the nail in the coffin for 50's career with the skills he had back then, especially the way he spit on "I Shot Ya" remix with LL and "John Blaze" he did with Big Pun and Nas or just retires before he embarasses himself.

Hey homie we already got a post about the beef in the Caught In The Middle section! :daveuidiot: :lolsign: I think most of the show sucked and I was dissapointed that "Party Starter" didn't come on and I had to sit through it!

Never say never. ← :word: Hopefully they have a change of heart one day but I just don't get it, Rev. Run could have different producers for his music this time but he can't get together with DMC and have a different DJ to rock the house? It wouldn't be disrespectful for JMJ 'cause I don't think if he would want them to seperate just 'cause he ain't here anymore, the show has to go on and hip-hop needs Run-Dmc.

You made some interesting points there, but I was just referring to when you're not sure about if the news is accurate or not don't tell everybody, just tell the few potnas that're here so not that many people'll get dissapointed if it doesn't happen like what happened here.

That was very immature the way they acted but Fat Joe didn't really stress on it too much, he was more just introducing the reggaetone artists to the stage, 50 Cent was way out of line though, I guess even with Suge Knight getting shot he still has no conscious to know that he needs to squash the beef before he gets killed himself. :ShockRifle:

Katrina Charges Toward New Orleans By ADAM NOSSITER Associated Press Writer NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina slammed ashore early Monday and charged toward this below-sea-level city with 145-mph winds and the threat of a catastrophic storm surge. Katrina edged slightly to the east shortly before making landfall near Grand Isle, providing some hope that the worst of the storm's wrath might not be directed at the vulnerable city. Martin Nelson, a meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center, said the northern part of the eyewall came ashore at Grand Isle, about 60 miles south of New Orleans, at about 5 a.m. It was moving northward at 15 mph. Katrina's fury was soon felt at the Louisiana Superdome, normally home of professional football's Saints, which became the shelter of last resort Sunday for about 9,000 of the area's poor, homeless and frail. Electrical power at the Superdome failed at 5:02 a.m., triggering groans from the crowd. Emergency generators kicked in, but the backup power runs only reduced lighting and is not strong enough to run the air conditioning. Chenel Lagarde, spokesman for Entergy Corp., the main energy power company in the region, said that 370,000 customers in southeast Louisiana were estimated to be without power. Even though the storm was hours away from New Orleans, Karina's advance winds were already blowing slate tiles off the old roofs of the French Quarter. The wind was blowing the rain sideways, and debris was carried up more than 100 feet. Power was on and off in sections of the city, and emergency vehicles patrolled the main streets, their blue and red lights flashing. "I'd rather watch this than watch a movie," said Steven Grades, 22, one of the Superdome evacuees as he looked out through the windows at the gathering storm. Katrina, which weakened slightly overnight to a strong Category 4 storm, turned slightly eastward before hitting land, which would put the western eyewall - the weaker side of the strongest winds - over New Orleans. "It's not as bad as the eastern side. It'll be plenty bad enough," said Eric Blake of the National Hurricane Center in Miami. Mayor Ray Nagin said he believed 80 percent of the city's 480,000 residents had heeded an unprecedented mandatory evacuation as Katrina threatened to become the most powerful storm ever to slam the city. "It's capable of causing catastrophic damage," said National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield. "Even well-built structures will have tremendous damage. Of course, what we're really worried about is the loss of lives. "New Orleans may never be the same." Crude oil futures spiked to more than $70 a barrel in Singapore for the first time Monday as Katrina targeted an area crucial to the country's energy infrastructure, but the price had slipped back to $68.95 by midday in Europe. The storm already forced the shutdown of an estimated 1 million barrels of refining capacity. Terry Ebbert, New Orleans director of homeland security, said more than 4,000 National Guardsmen were mobilizing in Memphis and will help police New Orleans streets. The head of Jefferson Parish, which includes major suburbs and juts all the way to the storm-vulnerable coast, said some residents who stayed would be fortunate to survive. "I'm expecting that some people who are die-hards will die hard," said parish council President Aaron Broussard. The evacuation itself claimed lives. Three New Orleans nursing home residents died Sunday after being taken by bus to a Baton Rouge church. Don Moreau, of the East Baton Rouge Parish Coroner's Office, said the cause was likely dehydration. Katrina, which cut across Florida last week, had intensified into a colossal Category 5 over the warm water of the Gulf of Mexico, reaching top winds of 175 mph before weakening as it neared the coast. The storm held a potential surge of 18 to 28 feet that would easily top New Orleans' hurricane protection levees, as well as bigger waves and as much as 15 inches of rain. A hurricane warning was in effect for the north-central Gulf Coast from Morgan City, La., to the Alabama-Florida line. Tornado warnings were posted for Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida. For years, forecasters have warned of the nightmare scenario a big storm could bring to New Orleans, a bowl of a city that's up to 10 feet below sea level in spots and dependent on a network of levees, canals and pumps to keep dry from the Mississippi River on one side, Lake Pontchartrain on the other. The fear is that flooding could overrun the levees and turn New Orleans into a toxic lake filled with chemicals and petroleum from refineries, as well as waste from ruined septic systems. Nagin said he expected the pumping system to fail during the height of the storm. The mayor said the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers was standing by to get the system running, but water levels must fall first. "We are facing a storm that most of us have long feared," he said. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime event." Major highways in New Orleans cleared out late Sunday after more than 24 hours of jammed traffic as people headed inland. At the peak of the evacuation, 18,000 people an hour were streaming out of southeastern Louisiana, state police said. On inland highways in Louisiana and Mississippi, heavy traffic remained the rule into the night as the last evacuees tried to reach safety. In Orange, Texas, Janie Johnson of the American Red Cross described it as a "river of headlights." In Washington, D.C., the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said it has been advised that the Waterford nuclear plant about 20 miles west of New Orleans has been shut down as a precautionary measure. New Orleans has not taken a direct hit from a hurricane since Betsy in 1965, when an 8- to 10-foot storm surge submerged parts of the city in seven feet of water. Betsy, a Category 3 storm, was blamed for 74 deaths in Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida. Evacuation orders also were posted all along the Mississippi coast, and the area's casinos, built on barges, were closed early Saturday. Bands of wind-whipped rain increased Sunday night and roads in some low areas were beginning to flood. "Hopefully it will take a turn and we'll be spared the brunt of it, but it just don't look like that," said James Bosco, who was packing up a final few items from his beachfront apartment in Gulfport. "I just hope everybody makes it all right. We can always rebuild." Alabama officials issued mandatory evacuation orders for low-lying coastal areas. Mobile Mayor Michael C. Dow said flooding could be worse than the 9-foot surge that soaked downtown during Hurricane Georges in 1998. Residents of several barrier islands in the western Florida Panhandle were also urged to evacuate. Katrina hit the southern tip of Florida as a much weaker storm Thursday and was blamed for nine deaths. It left miles of streets and homes flooded and knocked out power to about 1.45 million customers. It was the sixth hurricane to hit Florida in just over a year.

:lolsign: I think we all feel a lil' let down 'cause we didn't see the video but it'll come soon, I wish that JJFP were hiding backstage ready to come out and premiere the video, that'd made the night perfect, I could only dream I guess. :davidblaine:

Hey Tim next time you should just post this news in the potna section so it won't leak everywhere else if it might not happen and if it leaks out, then that person won't be a potna anymore.

I was hoping that he was building a recording studio or something else when I read the topic, oh well, good for him that he's building a house though. :interesting:

I almost peed my pants in excitement, especially after Grandmaster Flash was rippin' the wheels, that was easily the highlight of the night, they were showin' these commercial rappers like 50 Cent and Mike Jones how to rock a house! :mygod:

I still think Will at his worst is better than 50 Cent and Nelly at their best, don't you? That "Born To Reign" verse was the best verse spit by any rapper that year, Will could throw up on rest of the album and he still sounds better than wack rappers, he gave us "Lost and Found" just now and solidified that he's the greatest, I still think the JJFP albums define his career though.

The video's comin' out tonight, I think there's still a chance for the album sales to turn around if a lot of people enjoy the video, it's up to us to vote for it!

Yeah it's only a matter of minutes until we see the video now! :davidblaine:

Hey man you missed all the threads of us ranting for "Party Starter" to come out sooner! :ShockRifle: :lolsign: