Frenetic

There isn't the same situation in florida woth poverty and people being desperate. I think these people that are beiong violent aren't people that are normally calm and good civilians, but gangmembers or just people without heart or judgement. BUT, when u send down troops 2 days after a hurricane, and say in international television that they will kill people, that is a dumb way of putting things. Cause people need to know that the army is there to help, not to feel treathened, cause in theory, people like u've also said that are peacfully going out to get some food, will be shot dead, aswell as gangmembers. Instead, they should've had the army there hours after the hurricane, the nationguard should've been better prepared and the entire population should've been evacuated. The last thing iis the mayor and governors fault.

MAXFLY: U must be blind: from my last long post saying that it is something obvious that raping, killin, looting and so on is bad and i don't have to say that just cause i wan't ti critize the goverment: Isn't that for sure that raping, killin and violence is all acts of complete insanitiy and should be punished? DO i have to say that just to make it RIGHT for goverment and authorities to discriminate and overlook the need for help amongst poor & black people? WHY should I explane their acts? huh? I am only in the discussion critizising the hatred and discriminination on blacks. I've gotten tired of getting angry on those idiots, i've made various remarks on those kidn of things in other boards. Those people are idiots, BUT, BUT according to journalists in NO, 90% of the people "looting" ARE either not looting or is just pciking up food. BUT, since people like to get excited, they don't report that as much as the action kind of stuff about people shooting at rescue choppers and raping underagre girls in the superdome and so on.

Maxfly: About the budget: Homeland security might have gotten more cash, but do you know **** about company and branch budgets? NO, cause when a budget is done, homeland and fema get different budgets. FEMA has gotten less then years before and addiontional money for preventing disasters like this have been declined. Homeland secutiry which is above FEMA has more money, yes, but it does not give it the right to give it's own budget to FEMA, in that case homeland security would be broke at this point cause of the massive damages in Louisiana. Bush recently put out state of emergency which releases the goverments extra funds and puts him in charge. that is done atleast 5 days too late. Bill Clinton said recently: "Our government failed those people in the beginning, and I take it now there is no dispute about it," Clinton told CNN. "One hundred percent of the people recognize that -- that it was a failure." Bush being ignorant about warnings: Bush has ignored the warnings coming from experts about how the climate in the world is changing to a more unstable and insecure type. The hurricanes are getting worse, it's getting hotter and it's raining more cause of our own pollution. Yet Bush has not taken any actions at all (makes me think of the warnings just weeks before 9/11 about a attack coming soon) and has not signed the Kyoto-contract. About Bush planting Crack in the hood Just ans Schnazz said, he was the chief of CIA at the time crack/cocaine started spreading. CIA's worst enemy after Cuba and Soviet at that time was the Black Panthers. Those kind of actions IS NOT rare in CIA policy. CIA isn't known for being kindhearted. Yet again about the racism: I still and you can't disagree with this believe Bush was brought up in a racist enviroment, it is NOT a impossible thing to say that his fathers friends or grandfathers friends might have been KKK or having racist thoughts. So is about 20-30% of thw white america. And if they haven't been brought up like that media has helped white people to become prejudice about blacks cause all they do is murder, rape, rap, gangbang and talk **** about women. With media I include MTV, BET and especially BET. AND all the record companys. With all that built in, you will if ur not a openminded man, have SUB-COUNSCIOUS racism or prejudice in your way of thought. That may have a direct cause of him not taking the warnings seriously, cause if Beverly Hills was about to get a visit by a hurricane, he would've reacted differently. Casue his friends are there, rich company owners and powerful people. That are worth more than the poor people, which includes alot of black people. About evacuating: Fidel Castro proclaied Cuba's nearest thing alike State of emergency and evacuated millions of people when Ivan came across. If not, hundred of thousands would have died. There were at most ten casualties. After the Tsunamis the goverments in asia started rescue operations immidietly with the military. It took 2 days for the states. --- AJ: You haven't read enough of kanye's statements to know if he's credible or not. He has done some extremely well put and intelligent statemtns about everything from the black mans situation in the media to the war in Iraq. I just belive that u from a biased point of view read his things differently than he alot of other people cause u want him to be wrong, cause i haven't read u saying ANYthing positive about him without putting in somethign negative. His statement at NBC is brief and not well put, but it does describe the feelings of the black people AND it airs out how alot of people feel. I would rate his statement as one of his worst. BEsides, i also noticed u have no source-critisiscm at all. When it comes to WIll smith, people are extremely into not taking the media to seriously, but when it comes to other people not just kanye, u're fooled by the media and just svallow everything they say. Now I ain't gonna go into a discussion with u cause i respect u as a person, cause i've read your posts since 99/2000.

I'll read and reply tomorrow as i gotta go to sleep.

Think about this Frenetic: What your source doesn't tell you is that while Bush did indeed cut funds for hurricane disaster aftermath for specically such a disaster, the same money that was lost there was made up when the department of homeland security was created, the same organization that is over FEMA and would be directly involved in relief efforts after a hurricane. In essence, hurricane relief funds were consolidated and not entirely cut. The problem however is that there is more bureacracy. Bush was too shortsighted to see this. If your souce is too be completely truthful, they would have added that important piece if information. The US had and has enough money for relief... Your is a flat out false statement Frenetic. Completely wrong and baseless and I expect to to retract that statement as soon as possible. FEMA and the department of homeland security as a whole are very well funded. The department of homeland security especially with the recent threat of terrorist attacks. The problem is that because of all the bureacracy and truthfully, the lack of insight, they acted slowly initially. But they are extremely well funded. He could have ordered a better evacuation? That's a false statement too. In the case of a natural disaster, the mayor of a city and the govenor of a state order evacuations. That power is alloted to the states by mandate of the 10th Ammendment of the Constitution. Infact, the govenor refused to federalize the evacuation and rescue process when the president asked her to because she didn't want to give up power. You have to get the full story. About unity. Creating more controversy when we should be attempting to create unity is never a good thing, regardless of the conditions. Further igniting emotions at a time when emotions are already high is never a good thing. Calling out the president at the wrong time and place, especially when you're not fully informed is never a good thing. Now that I've addressed your concerns, I am still waiting on you to address why people shot at Navy Core of Engineer workers who are were attemting to get to one of the levees to repair it. I also expect you to retract that false statement about the lack of funds for relief efforts. ← Can you find a link to the budget of 2005? I WILL PROVE YOU that the money for catastroph handleling has decreased in a period of 3 years. Cause he needed money for the war. George said the days after the NO floods that he did not need the help of other countrys. Why? Hasn't the budget been extremely focused on the war and not on society necessary thing? If u say no u need to get of Bush's dick and admitt your a republican. Hasn't the president the highest power in deciding evacuation If not i will take back that statement and put the responsibilty on the mayor and governor. He isn't wrongfully informed: THE ONLY direct thing he said agaisnst bush was that he doesn't care about black people. That he probably bases on that this country is his country, he probably ment the goverment and authoritys, that includes your lovers bush and the governer and mayor. Tha snwer to the looters you will find in the other thread. Again: Why was Bush at a party the day after Katrina? Why hasn't Bush taken the warnings about hurricanes more seriuous? Why hasn't he signed the Kyoto-contract?

Edit: POsted it same time maxfly posted his. Will post a new reply

WIll has just reached his peak in airplay without help of musicvideo, as soon as it get's aired it'll go up again. Until this point radio has checked in on how the public feels about the song. And to alot it's still unfamiliar cause it's not shown on tv. With a gap too large between radio & tv play it's becomes a failure. He still got 2 - 3 weeks. Kanye's golddigger was down and on it's way out of the top 200 when it got more airplay and promotion. It's on its way to the top 10 now. So have hope!

:word: Cause media has alot of power, why didn't they unite people? =)

Maxfly Interesting that you don't respond to my info about Bush cutting out on funds helping hurricnae disasters aftermath. ALOT. IT IS Bush's responsibility, it's his country, he could've ordered a better evacuation. He didn't have the money to it. The worlds only super-power didn't have the money to evacuate it's own people. The US won't be united wether kanye said that or not, cause people ARE unhappy with the racial difference in the US. Kanye spole on that matter cause he knew it wouldn't matter. A false outwards show of amerca being united it worse than someone taking a stance and putting it out in the air.

1. Be (Intro) - 9/10 With a drum-pattern signed J-dilla, sample & basline signed Kanye West this couldn't be bad. A overlook on hiphop right now with lyrics like this: Bush pushing lies, killers immortalized We got arms but won't reach for the skies Waiting for the Lord to rise I look into my daughter's eyes And realize that I'ma learn through her The Messiah, might even return through her 2. The Corners - 9/10 The beat is incredible. Drums are raw, piooo haaa. nod ya head to this. About the corners in the hoos where everythings go down. Outstanding lyrics: Streetlights & deepnights cats trying to eat right Riding no seat bikes with work to feed hypes So they can keep sweet Nikes they head & they feet right Desires of streetlife cars & weed types 3. Go feat Kanye West - 8/10 Really nice verses by Common and a interesting hook sung by Kanye but lyrics partly written by John Mayers Never lifts, beat is well done but in some way it feels more of a Kanye West beat than something ya should rap about sex. 4. Faithful feat John Legend & Bilal - 9,5/10 This is a wonderful song, this is hiphop, this is some skills, this is just wow. A giirlie storytelling song. Can a song with John Legend and Bilal be bad? She asked if they could spend the night together He thought, and said, "I'm tryin' to get my life together" Went home to his lady, these were his confessions "Baby you a blessin' and my best friend" 5. Testify - 9/10 It's a storytelling song about a person testifying in court about a crime. Includes a nice twist at the end. Will come with a mini-movie video. Beat is made for this song. Fits perfect. 6. Love is - 10/10 J-Dilla does it big with the beat and Common does his best rhymes since resurrection? Incredible song. One of 2005's top 10 songs and 2005 is a pretty good musicyear. Just read this: Yeah, you know what love is Even found it on the ground where the thugs live My man had to dig deep to find his Couldn't sleep 'cause on the real he had five kids Live nig's, real niggaz express and taste it At crap games, black dames and big faces Cases in court, fam' showin' love and support You and your baby's mom thought that love was a sport As men we were taught to hold it in That's why we don't know how 'til we're older men If love is a place I'ma go again At least now, now I know to go within At time it can take ya for a spin Heartbreak hotel then you're home again I've seen love make a nigga soul pretend Like a story that he don't want to end 7. Chi City 9,5/10 The banger, the most hiphop, the most raw and old school song on the album. KNOWLEDGE: Leave rappers with careers and they faith over It's a war goin' on, you can't fake bein' a soldier In the basement, listening to tapes of Ultra- Magnetic, to the fact the messiah is black I'll turn the TV down, we can take it higher than that I wonder if these whack niggaz realize they whack And they the reason that my people say they tired of rap 8. The Food (live) feat Kanye West 8/10 The beat is timeless, reminds you of the early days of Kanye with more uptempo and happy beats. About getting food for ya family. kanye drops a nice verse. Bad quality of the recording brings down the rating. 9. Real People 8,5/10 Beat doesn't sound near kanye west, horns and blues and jazz feeling. The lyrics style makes the song seem like repetitive and worse version of earliers songs on the album. It's a objectivly seen really good song, but i understand if people get bored. I wonder is the spirits of Bob Marley and Haile Selassie Watch me as the cops be tryna and pop and lock me They cocky, plus they mentality is Nazi The way they treat blacks I wanna snap like paparazzi 10. They Say feat John Legend & Kanye West - 9/10 About the haters and their position in hiphop. Kanye does a good verse and Commons last verse is incredible. 11. Its your world reprise feat Bilal and Pops - 9,5/10 He gotta have a song with his father slammin some spoken word at the end. Bilal's voice is like taking a piss after waiting to do in a couple of hours, it feels wonderful. J-Dilla does his third beat and it's yet again one of the best. Whole: 9,2/10. I give it 0,2 in better grade than WIll cause it's more solid without a bad or less good song. Will has two song that are 10, but losses in a couple of 6's and 7's.

I agree Ted. However, instead of blaming people, citizens should be working together to provide relief. There will be plenty of time for blame. The thing is that people like Kanye are quick to blame the government, but silent when his own people are shooting at one another and at law officials. If you're going to pass out criticism, do so judiciously and fairly. ← WHY should he when people are dying as a direct cause of Bush's way of handleing his country? WHY should when only a little part of the people remaining are showing up extreme violence? Shouldn't the goverment be able to hande these kind of things even with them being critiziced? Ain't US the best / richest / most powerful country in the world but they still show less power to handle things like this than Thailand, Indonesia.

That is exactly my question to you Frenetic. Why do you keep providing excuses for those who are acting lawlessly; I haven't heard a peep from you in this whole discussion about how outraged you are that young men are raping girls or how disgusted you are that they are shooting at rescue workers. You've done nothing but deflect questions about those realities. I've posted links to pictures of the looting... You said that you hadn't seen a single picture of someone stealing DVDs or TVs. You can no longer say that. Is it that you really don't see what is right infront of you, or is it that you see it but refuse to accept it. I really want to hear your explanation for why 8 men fired at Navy Core of Engineer workers who were going to work on the levees yesterday. How was that apart of their survival? I want to hear your explanation for why men have raped little girls. How is that apart of their survival? Why did men shoot at rescue helicopters. How was that apart of their survival? Someone earlier said that other countries are looking at the relief efforts and are criticizing the government. What do you think the people of the world are thinking about black people when they look at the city and see the violence and the lawlessness taking place all while people are dying and honest people are trying to survive. Is this the type of image we should be displaying across the world? When people become myopic and are quick to blame outside forces, but refuse to ever look inwardly and address their own issues, change will never come about. ← Isn't that for sure that raping, killin and violence is all acts of complete insanitiy and should be punished? DO i have to say that just to make it RIGHT for goverment and authorities to discriminate and overlook the need for help amongst poor & black people? Don't be a jerk, the topic was not about the violence and raping, it's about media ONCE AGAIN (not the first time) portrays whites as the superior people. WHY should I explane their acts? huh? I am only in the discussion critizising the hatred and discriminination on blacks. I've gotten tired of getting angry on those idiots, i've made various remarks on those kidn of things in other boards. Those people are idiots, BUT, BUT according to journalists in NO, 90% of the people "looting" ARE either not looting or is just pciking up food. BUT, since people like to get excited, they don't report that as much as the action kind of stuff about people shooting at rescue choppers and raping underagre girls in the superdome and so on. Why does it feel like u just had, had to come in with an explanation about the blacks being violent in here? huh? Is it cause u can't open your eyes and see the truth, that the african-americans STILL are the inferior race in the US but it's jsut not so open for the public to notice. Remember that ALL media is controlled by privateowners with different kind of interests, FOX is a completely conservative channel displaying 74% black violence in their news when about 35% of the violence in the streets are caused be african-americans. How come FOX was the first channel to air BUSH as a winner in 2000? Cause Bush's cousin got a job there. How come FOX is known for various racist and anti-islam reportages including one about my hometown in Sweden. If the media can't handle their business without being objective and fair, they should shut the **** up, cause they got alot more power then they seem to know.

With the girls alot of flirtin involved, dog.. **** all that flirtin, I'm tryin to get in some drawers, so Put me on with these hoes homie He told me, "Don't rush to get grown, drive slow homie" K West - Drive Slow

Maxfly: Excuses are easy to come up with.

Maxfly: Did Malcom X, Ghandi, MLK, Guevara or Jesse Jackson take discussions with tact and grace? Man shut up with that republican bull ****, YOU KNOW that in order for something to change there needs to be controversy, like rodney king. YOU KNOW for discussions to start there needs to be a controversy. Would Kanye get so much airtime if he had said that in a normal tv-show? NO cause he wouldn't get the same attention. There needs to be attention brought to the fact that poor people (in the U.S the poor people's majority of race is blacks) are not valued as high as a grocery store or a familiy living in the suburbs! Did Malcom X chill down with his accusations and speaches just to be kind to the goverment? NO man, NO. I HOLD GEORGE W BUSH responcsoble for cutting funds helping cities protecting against storms and hurricanes JUST, JUST so he can go into a meaningless war. The same way he did NOT, DID NOT investigate in his dads friends after 9/11 just cause they own 6% of amercan economics! FACTS FOR YOU! George Bush IS raised in a racist enviroment, again; Bush may not be a racist, but he does discriminate and not THINK of the black people. That's ignorant and true. I still agree with kanye cause when things like this happens your angry, you say it in more raw ways. And it has started a nice discussion about the race-discrimination. The Crack thing aint something conspirtorical, it's facts, US goverment had the black panthers going wild, Harlem and bronx weren't ghettos, it was more like a community with minorites gathering havign a good time, Then CRACK CAME, from nowhere, black panthers disappeered, this is just as proven as the fact that Jimmy Carter sparked the revolution in Iran and that Reagan & Bush sr & Bush jr are supporting military goverments in south america, giving the al-qaeeda weapons AND giving Saddam biological weapons and anthrax, thigns used later against the kurds that now are in court with Saddam for that holding him responsible for killin 5000 kurds and almost 100 000 iranians. Reagan and Bush fed them, they contucted their business. DevilJim PEOPLE CAN'T JUST LEAVE LIKE THAT, Busses were full with white people, the busses were full and there weren't anymore! They can't just pick up and WALK OUT OF TOWN with children and no money, where should they go HUH? It's not, NOT, NOT so easy as u think it is. BUT, a thing that could be easy would be support and more busses and better evacuation of ALL people, but there wasn't any, cause there weren't any money cause Bush has ****ed up badly. Maxfly: THe sitation is MUCH bigger than the looting, MUCH, it's not just ordinary people looting and 90% of the looting is about getting food from grcoery stores and so on. Much of the raping and so on has been conducted in the superdome and in gang areas by gangs which never are good. LOOTING?

Reborntoreign: I'll cut off my left hand if 98% of the hiphopcommunity doesn't feel like kanye right now. Then we got people just dissin what he said cuz of who he is, nomatter what the topic is about some people gotta diss it.

U know we got our diffrences but that was :word:

Maxfly: Why don't u just realize that when it's tensions like this in the society they need to get realesed and discussed. Kanye did that, he spoke for alot of people. If they don't have their feelings out it'll get nasty, remember rodney king? There weren't any shows like this at that moment and people trying to critizice the police were either radical blacks or idiots. There were vary few normal people speaking their mind. They got the oppurtunity now and now someone said what alot of people feel, hopefully there'll be a nice debate in the media about this now. I don't see why it's wrong to do it at a benefit concert, cause he also said: "The red cross is doing all they can". Come on, don't be naive, I really, really hope will would't read from a transscript. I remember after 9/11 he spoke about people need to chill down with violence against muslims.

About the looting: Dawg your familys dying, what u gon do when the goverment ain't there for u? HUH? U can stand still and not go to the grocerystore and steal some food? Cause it's wrong? Ain't it wrong for your baby do die? Ain't it wrong that the goverment instead of protecting and helping NO after all the warnings the goverment still, still cut back on the funds of hurricane preparations? Cause they need to balance their budget cause of a war without a reason!? I AIN'T seen ONE, ONE picture of a guy with a TV or DVD. I only seen people with food and diapers and soap. So people dying, crying, starvin ain't worth the effort to react and put the military in, BUT when stores are getting robbed we gon give the army permission to shoot and kill? WHERE'S THE LOGICS? About the time to say it: Whenever something radical in the society or a huge discussion starts, there is ONE man,ONE woman that takes the lead ans says something. It's worth the effort cause somethign needs to happen, something needs to change. About people being dumb for not evacuating: It's easy to say that when u got cash and live in a house right? Image u got no cash, 4 kids and no car. There weren't busses near to able to pick up all the residents. THAT'S THE GOVERMENST responsibilty. People can't just pick up and leave like that, it isn't so easy to get a ride when everybody just wants to get out as fast as possible. Don't be arrogant, u know u can't just diss people like that. What about the people going to the superdome expecting to be rescued after the stormn but had to wait 4 days without food, you can't expect all people to say sharp at a sitaution like that. About racism and blacks not getting evacuated I hate Bush from the deepest part of my heart, but I don't think he's a racist. BUT, BUT i actually do think he's raised in a racist or atleast discriminating enviroment, his dad planted Crack in the hood to control the rising black people. He's grand, grand father's probably a ****ing redneck texas KKK. BUT i don't think bush thought that he could **** the black people when he didn't react to the warnings and evacuation. I just belive the dude's a idiot and is infected with sub-counscious racism just like 20-30% of white america.

Now it would be really, really dope to have Kanye drop Crack Music as a single in the same time Tell Me Why gets released. That's some power right there.

Actually Reborntoreign: THAT WAS the place to say it. The media is so controlled that if he had tried to say it anywhere else, it would've ben edited or not put out. The things that makes me like the statement is how he goes of the transcript and just goes with himself, he's nervous cause he knows there will be reprocussions and he got so much to say but in short time that he gets emotional. You can see him gathering himself together at the end taking power to say what's on the mind of alot of people right now. It may not be like Bush is a RACIST, but if this would've happened in the hamptons or Newport, there would been rescue actions alot faster. Cause that's something called Sub-counsciuos racism (just like the images about the looting/finding). It would be more dope if kanye got some speech training cause seeing him talk is like seeing a child opening his gifts on christmas, they're so eager to to things it gets a little blurry. Now I ain't saying he is the next 2pac, absoluetly not (there can only be one) but this way of always, always speeking his mind and trying to take the lead for his community reminds me of 2Pac.

http://www.pixelmd.com/KanyeBenefit.wmv should be better.

Link scroll down in the link and u'll find a transscript and movie from him questioning Bush.

Kanye west made a couple weird statements in several interviews. In one he's standing outside the room of a couple of people listening to his new album. He's walking around in circles nervous of what they might think. When they come out he first makes them listen to hey mama again cause he thought they talked under the first verse and might have missed something and then asked them what they REALLY REALLY REALLY thought about the album. He says the common man is a man of contradictions, and he wants to adress that in his music. He says even he is sometimes a kind of hypocrit, he calls females bitches in some of his songs while he makes statements against homophobia. He talks about blood diamonds and have the most bling jesus piece. He says it's not a matter of right or wrong, it's a more complex matter and people shouldn't feel awful if they are bling, but they should know what they are wearing. He also says hes grandfather told him to never be shy cause shy is the closest step to stupid and that's why people might think he got a huge EGO. He says he's pretty insecure forreal but that's cause his goal in musicbiz is to be liked by everyone and won't stop until he reaches his goal. Some facts for people that claim he's just stupid or have god complex

A audio is floating around the internet featuring one of BET's programdirectors saying they won't play Little Brothers single Lovin it cause it (exact qoute): "Too intelligent for our audience". Wow...