Bob

ok you just owned my mentions.. common was sick on that. used to love her also got the west mad...boohoo lol.

if it weren't for "bridge is over", "takeover", "nail in the coffin", or "ether" then mayybeee the best. maybe. :fencing:

No I have...It just seems that LL has a bravado that's only going to be heightened by his involvement with 50 Cent...and bravado is not as big as wit nowadays.

the thing is...the battling today is quite different than yester-year...LL comes from a time where you throw "fa**ot" "kill" "murder" in a diss and it's hard and on point...Jay-Z perfected that battle rhyme of today: Cleverness In today's climate, an LL diss record would sound no different than Ja Rule's "Loose Change" or 50 Cent's "Haily Mary"...and would be looked down upon as a G-Unit style dumb, bravado record...unless LL flipped his style and went clever, but he's unproven in that department of disses. Jay has it in terms of clever, rhyme-around-the-opponent-until-his-knees-buckle rapping...and that's what makes me think he'd win

I'd give Jay the advantage in this one...yes "The Ripper Strikes Back" was ridiculous....but Jay has been on point more and more every year with his energy on aggressive tracks...whether it be "Dig A Hole", "Brooklyn High", "Hustlin' Remix", "Watch What You Say"....Jay is definitely is ready to deliver if he so chooses. But the thing is, Jay won't. LL is gonna do the 50 cent thing and start the feud to build hype...and he already took some shots and Jay is just hovering over it...... And LL has ALOT to prove to me to keep his name relevant today in terms of aggressive MC's

it's a completely different artist in my opinion... there's a definite southern feel still on it, which is not my favorite thing, but his intelligence really takes over i hated his last album too...

that was the only slight at kanye...he's done it before where he's made one song and then recycle the lyrics... that song was about going off to war as a troop... there's another song he did the same with...on his january 2006 mixtape he did a verse over an old school beat by clinton sparks and featured with busta rhymes.... and the same lyrics he used later for Rhymefest's "Brand New"

It's the right move for him...in many ways it's what the Black Album was going to be before he made dirt off your shoulder and change clothes... kingdom come was awesome and yes it was sophisticated...but this should resonate...as long as jay doesn't get pop-single happy again... WOW NAS AND JAY-Z RELEASING ALBUMS AT THE SAME TIME AGAIN ONLY A YEAR LATER!!!!! WOOOO...Nas said his new album should be in stores in december...and his greatest hits will be out soon with two new tracks...one with C-Lo from the Rush Hour 3 soundtrack...

I can see this album being in the same vain as Pharrell's last one...very experimental

I read the title of the album is "Boss Hova" as of now...allhiphop.com is reporting this..HAHAHAH but xxlmag.com is quoted saying: "Sorry allsh*tstop, it ain’t called Boss Hova. It’s called American Gangster. Inspired somewhat by the movie of the same name, but it’s a full studio album, no soundtrack" I don't think xxlmag.com is anywhere near as good as allhiphop.com though.. But november 6? I heard nothing on the date everyone is saying he's got a blueprint sound to it though...sweeeet

Ha, 100 is a good number. I remember my philosophy was I NEED AUDIO TRACKS...and then I actually got to hear the views here and be a part of the conversation...so the audio almost becomes an afterthought.

Yep the american dream is acting like a jerk to everyone you know, especially guys like Nas, Master P, and Jay-Z...you know...the guys that gave him his first tours, while marketing your act, a sexual and violent act, toward the 11 to 14 year old girl demographic. Oh and don't forget the macho-anti-women sentiments. Remember, women are just objects in Americans' eyes.... Please, the guy is the classic jerk who will step on anyone and everyone just to satisfy his own greed... That's not American...we're competitive...but there's a line.

Hm.. Idk man...I heard this back in June (early advance) and I was very disappointed that only one song(?) was without a special guest. Yes it's definitely strides ahead of his last album...where the beats were whack and rhymes were lazy. The Akon song just feels like the same thing Akon's known to do. "Return of the Hustle" was the beat Jay passed up on for Dig-a-Hole...I'm not too crazy about it. I can't stand Timbaland so the second "Make me better" came on, I cringed. Diamonds is annoying...Gangsta Don't Play is Fabolous trying to follow up Game's hit "It's Okay"....First Time was repetitive...Brooklyn was basically a remake of the bonus track Fab was on for Notorious B.I.G. Duets...Jokes on You is ok....What Should I do is awesome if unoriginal and Loso's way (pun intended lol) to copy Ludacris with the last track being a story about someone going through a struggle....I'm the Man is meh...Baby Don't Go is really enjoyable if not for the kiddish bells...and Dupri could shut up...but I do enjoy that song. Don't get me wrong...Fab's flow was nice....lyrically he didn't seem lazy unlike his last effort...so I did enjoy this for a little bit. I'd give it a **1/2 for being a straight radio-single filled CD.

Yes he sold 660k...but he also put in more marketing than ever. 6 singles before the album releases? The amount of publicity and advertising dollars he and Interscope put in? The thing is, no company is going to agree to put the same amount of PR dollars in for a guy who didn't hit ridiculous numbers associated with ridiculous advertising. If he had put in the amount of PR work with Interscope as he did on the Massacre and still sold 660k, then yes Interscope would still be all over him...but these numbers don't make up for the effort the label put forward. And they'll remember that. The funniest thing I must say though...50 attacks Def Jam for their practices...and then Interscope for their "reactionary" practices...Both Def Jam and Interscope are owned by the same company...so this "Competition" has only made ridiculous money for the heads at Universal. 50 can say "I Get Money" but like Master P told him in a recent BET interview (where 50 acted humble! He actually basically apologized for "misunderstanding" Master P's recent moves to clean up his act).....You can say you're on your way to a billion...there are guys moving equities with annual cash flow of billions easily. That's why I'm gonna be on Wall Street. :kool:

wow kanye almost a mill by sunday? he'll have a mill after one full week. wow.

the funny thing is..you give it a month and all the slow country fans will eventually pick up chesney's album. I believe that it will end up Kanye as first, Chesney second, and then 50. that's gonna kill 50. and who else is enjoying that T.I can't brag about his sales this time? I mean I like the guy but it was bordering on 50-ego when he complained ludacris got the award and t.i had the numbers

couldn't have said it better myself :yeahthat:

If you enjoy the creativity in rapping/rhyming but also enjoy a wide range of music instrumentals, like soul, rock, alternative, techno...then you'll enjoy Kanye's album simply for the different approach.

there's a youtube video where 50 is groggy last night and says he may not make another album...but idk... Hiphopdx.com is making a biggg story about it but it doesn't seem believable. He is donating a portion of his proceeds to the NYPD foundation for widows after the 9/11....I can't get mad at him for that.

ah man it's my home...this is my sophomore year up in happy valley and it's only getting better. :thumbsup:

wow. hahahah.

you gotta let us know how the JE album is...i'm not as much on their stuff but if I hear it's worth it, i'll take a listen

We have all this hype for tomorrow...and for a side note...don't forget why September 11 is such an important date in world history. Music is a nice way to try and find new ways to remember such a date, but we can't forget the tragedy in 2001. With that said, there's hype like crazy for Kanye and 50. I saw a commercial during an Eagles game for Kanye West's album??? I haven't seen that since 2002. Well, Chamillionaire's "Ultimate Victory" is being prepped for a September 18th release, and it leaked on the 5th. Since I was camping out since last monday for the Penn State University game against Notre Dame to be front row and ALL OVER ESPN :wickedwisdom: ...I haven't had the chance to listen to the album....P.S...unless you live under a rock, it was the second largest attendance at Beaver Stadium ever and we crushed the Irish!! Now I am finally getting to hear this, so here's my abbreviated review: 01. The Morning News- Takes shots at Snap music calling it crap music. I like it, sets the tone for cool south style with intelligent lyrics. Talks about CEO's and credit...hm. Fun. 02. Hip Hop Police feat. Slick Rick- We all heard this and it's still fun. I love it. 03. Standing Ovation- The guitar is repetitive. I don't care much for the track. 04. Won't Let You Down- Sounds like a T-Pain wannabe is on the hook....but other than that it tells broke-lazy people to get up off their a$$es and earn a living. Also he attacks the guys who act tough and wealthy when they could be saving and getting an education. 05. Industry Groupie- J.R. Rotem did a wonder with this track. I like the sample. It's pretty much the same thing (and he references it to) "Wouldn't Get Far" and "Gold Digger"...fun because the beat keeps rolling on. 06. Pimp Mode feat. Bun B- Slow country-laced beat. Not my style. Interesting switch up though. 07. Rock Star feat. Lil Wayne- I love the guitar riff, plus the boom-boom-clap beat. I don't like that Lil Wayne cursed repeatedly on this so they had to wipe it out. Why doesn't he follow the rules as a guest on Chamillionaire's album? Is it that tough? Snoop had no problem on Lost and Found.... 08. Skit- Mehhhh. Kinda funny at one point but not really at all. 09. Bill Collecta feat. Krayzie Bone- I love it. It's going to be the next single. On the same lines of Evening News in it's story talking. Title is pretty self-explanatory. I like... 10. The Ultimate Vacation- WOW, I love the california feel. Like a surfer's song haha. Funnnnn. I woulda loved listening to this on the beach...now I'll listen to it in the freezing happy valley that is penn state... 11. Come Back to the Streets- I'm not a fan of this song. I just don't like it. The skit included is redeeming...a little. 12. I think I love you- He used an organ and then completely cut out of it to a completely different set of instruments?? I like it because he's talking about how money can curve all your usual feelings and intentions. ...REDEEMING PART: It then cuts into a story regarding an abusive husband/boyfriend. I like this part because he picks up the tempo and delivers emotion on it. 13. Evening News- My favorite track so far listening to this CD. I loved it when it came out and still can't get over its creativity. 14. Welcome to the South feat. Pimp C- Throwaway south boasting track. Not enjoyable. 15. You Must Be Crazy feat. Lil Ken- This beat is awesome....I can't even describe it. Fun. Feels like it would be something an old school dj would make if he had the tools of today. Ol' School crafting with new music production software.....niccceeee. Flow is soo sick. Song just keeps moving. More political talking....Lil Ken is decent by the way.. 16. Me Breakin Up- I'm indifferent to this track. I wanna know who's doing the ad-libs...some soul singer...I guess some would like this, I'm more just sitting on it. 17. Skit- Stuck in the Ghetto feat. Tony Henry- Tony Henry has a voice. An amazing voice. I like this. One guitar, no bass. Henry really is stealing the show. I now am in the mood for some soul listening. 18. Rocky Rode feat Devin the Dude- The thunder sounds are cool. The rest of the song is not too memorable...but after the song Chamillionaire talks in the same way that Will Smith did on "Holly Roller"...talking about how we never talk to God unless we need him...we never ask for change until it affects us negatively... I really like his social commentary. 19. Ultimate Victory- Soul-laced track and then it switches to a rough Fort Minor feel...really feels like Chamillionaire is opening up. I enjoy this track BIG TIME. The violins are awesome. Feels like a tie between an italian composer's work and a new york linkin park song. Awesome! interesting side note...seems like he let go of the "Not a Criminal feat Kelis" song since it didn't really follow the themes he tried to present. My Rating: *** out of 5. I hated Chamillionaire and everything he did before this album. I couldn't stand the guy. I was just so annoyed by his direction and cliche themes. Now, I think his music is more mature but still fun. I have a natural distaste for the southern style of instrumentals so it was tough for me to get into much of the tracks. That being said, I think he did a good job and definitely has 4 to 5 standouts on the CD. I think the fight to keep a theme was hard for Chamillionaire and you could hear it. His honest attempt is commendable but I think he showed some limitations and probably was frustrated with the difficulty it seemed he had to produce an album with thoughtful themes rather than falling back into rap's comfort zone.

heyyyyyooo!! you'll enjoy it here. I came here in October and it's a great niche to catch up on FP and anything else around.

Amen.