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  2. Which Song Do You Like Better - Hip Hop Died

    in Caught in the Middle

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    Skillz easy... Nas re-used the sample he had for Thief's Theme, and to me, that brough the originality of the songs sound out of contention. Nas' wordplay is better, but Skillz' presence, straight to the point lyrics and original beat got it for me.

    and on a sidenote: Nas's cd, to me, is over-rated and being seen as this classic album just because he's making a statement with the Title. His songs on the cd are very average. His lyrics will always be there but the song quality overall is very basic to me. I was very dissapointed when i heard that cd and NO im not buying it. I love Nas but he could have came much stronger especially with this much anticipation building it up. Heres the flipside... it will get good reviews and be seen as a great album but thats because its better than whats being released at the moment.

    have to disagre.

    i think in every way, nas' song is better. and his cd, IMO, could have come out at any time within the last 10 years and I'd still say it'd be beating the competition

  7. Holla Back

    in Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince

    Posted

    When looking through this forum, I found out that on the single CD for freakin it, there was a b-side named "holla back." I searched this forum quite extensively but I don't know where it is, if in fact it is up. Does anyone know if it is on this site, or if you have a link?

    I'm not trying to post old stuff; maybe I just missed it when looking through the 20 some pages of topics.

    thanks

  9. Where are Eminem and Ludacris in your list of greats?

    in Caught in the Middle

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    Just to clarify.. Will actually writes the songs..he's got help from nas, kel spencer, mad skillz & common on the structure of rhymes, the words etc.. Having been in a room with Will writing rhymes, I can see how someone would offer some advice on how to word something, or how to make it flow better.. but the content and ideas of the songs are all Will.. Personally I dont see why he needs to do it.. Jeff has challenged Will he said just spend 2 weeks in the studio, no ghostwriters, no one else.. just Will and Jeff and see what they come up with.. Will's response? Film 2 more movies and sign up for about 3 more :thumbdown:

    So Will doesn't have whole songs written for him.. but I dont think he should get any help with his rhymes.. Kel Spencer maybe could come in here and tell us exactly what he does.. Ghostwriting seems rampant these days..it may be why all the songs sound the same now :kekeke:

    Da Ace I feel what you're saying..you are putting your blood sweat n tears into what you love hip hop..and you wouldnt be true to it to have someone else writing your rhymes..

    wow, same room for him writing rhymes?? that's definitely awesome, not just saying hi, but where he's creatively coming up with his stuff.

    now i'm new to the idea will has had ghost writers. is there proof? has he said so? i am really unaware.

    this is awesome tho, alot of back and forth stuff, not neccessarily the same topic, but awesome to see the thought processes in other fans of hiphop

  10. Where are Eminem and Ludacris in your list of greats?

    in Caught in the Middle

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    Eminem is major skilled, I cant front about that. While Luda's is aight, he's not a sick as Em. But he still often releases better stuff than Em.

    Correction. Eminem WAS major skilled

    correction eminem IS MAJORED SKILLED

    I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Em is still skilled! What was the last decent verse he put out when he wasn't babbling?? Look back over 'Infinite' 'SSLP' and 'MMLP' and tell me thats the same Em spitting today. Its incomparable! His rhyme scheme has fallen waaaaaaaaaaaay off, his subject matter, everything about him! I used to be the biggest Eminem fan back in the days when he was lyrical but not it annoys me now to listen to anything he is on! He is not the same rapper as he was early on in his career. FACT!

    Here is Em in my opinion at his peak:

    Jay Z feat Eminem - Renegades

    Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen

    I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute

    Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it

    But if it don't, then y'all can swallow the truth grin and bear it

    Now who's the king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics

    Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics

    Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits

    But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it

    Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit

    Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish

    But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America

    as a motherf***in drug addict - like you didn't experiment?

    Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror

    and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased

    And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents

    You f***in do-gooders too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!

    (Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't

    think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo

    Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}

    And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just a

    And this is his recent offering

    Akon feat Eminem - Smack That

    Ooh! Looks like another club banger.

    They better hang on.

    When I throw this thang on.

    Get a little drink on. They goin' flip.

    [ these lyrics found on http://www.completealbumlyrics.com ]

    For this Akon ****. You can bank on it.

    Pedicure, manicure, kitty cat claws.

    The way she climbs up and down them poles.

    Lookin' like one of them Pretty Cat Dolls.

    Tryna hold my woody back through my drawers.

    Steps off stage, didn't think I saw her.

    Creeps up behind me and she's like, you're -

    I'm like, yeah I know, let's cut to the chase.

    No time to waste. Back to my place.

    Plus from the club to the crib's like a mile away.

    Or more like a palace, shall I say.

    And plus I got a pal. Every gal is game.

    In fact he's the one singing the song that's playing!

    (Akon!)

    Now look at the way the sentences are constructed and the rhyme pattern! You'd think two different rappers wrote and recorded this. Think what you want but to call the Eminem that is out now 'majorly skilled' is just plain wrong! :shakehead:

    ok come on now, i can't be quiet on this one. Em was the king of controversial lyrics, but then people said, well can he make a club banger, and he showed he easily can with smack that.

    but hey, if you're going to run renegade lyrics against his new stuff, why not against his new stuff that is worth comparing in terms of being serious subject matter? Smack that and renegade had two different audiences meant to address. Now try putting Renegade up against No apologies:

    No Apologies- Eminem

    Verse 1:

    In my mind I'm a fighter, my heart's a lighter.

    My soul is the fluid, my flow sparks it right up.

    An arsenic writer, author with arthritis

    carpal tunnel, Marshall with start ****-itis

    hardheaded and hotheaded

    bullheaded and pigheaded

    dick-headed, a prick, a big headache

    I'm sick, quick-witted for every lyric spitted

    there are six critics who wait for me to slip with it

    so quick this dynamite stick

    bury the wick its gonna explode

    any minute some lunatic lit it and it's not Nelly

    do not tell me to stop yelling, when I stop selling I'll quit so

    stop dwelling, I am not failing

    you ****ers are not ready

    cause I got jelly like Beyonce's pot belly

    this is destiny, yes money

    I'm off runnning so get off of me

    I'm not slowing or softening.

    Verse 2:

    My head hits the pillow, a weepin' willow

    I can't sleep, a pain so deep it bellows

    but these cellos help just to keep me mellow

    hands on my head, touch knees to elbows

    I'm hunched over emotion just flows over

    these cold shoulders are both frozen, you don't know me

    I keep sayin' it. I cant stress it enough

    so keep playin' it and stand next to the subs

    I choke mics like asphyxiation

    while I'm strangling my own throat masturbatin' (haha)

    **** yeah I'm a basketcase and I master this rap **** til' my ass gets wasted.

    til' my assassination, til' I'm slain cause of some fag's infatuation

    44 mag, a fascination, a taste for disaster and if thats the case then.

    Verse 3:

    This song isn't for you it's for me, A true MC

    it's what I do just to see if he still has it and if his skills mastered

    he's able to spill raps long after he's killed

    that's a, real MC, got you feelin' me

    whether willing or unwillingly you still agree

    As long as there's still this hunger and will in me

    Then expect the longer life expectancy

    I'd be a savage beast if I ain't have this outlet to salvage me inside

    I'd be exploding soaked in self loathing and mourning

    So I’m warning you don’t coax me its silly

    I'm really a sheep in wolf's clothing

    who only reacts when he gets pushed don't be

    fooled the press blows up this whole thing

    it's stupid, they don't know cause they don't see

    that I'm wounded all they did was ballooned it

    I'm sick of talking bout these tattoos Cartoon did

    thats why i tuned it out, I'm sick of dukin'

    and they can suck my dick while I'm pukin'

    and you too you can expect no sympathy from me

    I'm an MC, this is how I'm supposed to be

    cold as a G my hearts frozen, it don't even beat

    so expect no apologies

    expect no sympathy from me

    I'm an MC, this is how I'm supposed to be

    cold as a G, my hearts frozen it don't even beat

    so expect no apologies.

    Now I'm not saying No apologies is better, but it definitely carries itself alongside Renegade. Eminem hasn't lost skill, he's just diversified. Most rappers go from club bangers to branching out into thought-provoking music. Em WAS ONLY thought-provoking music, and decided recently, with Shake that, smack that, and Welcome to Detroit to try and have some fun. But he still got it.

  12. Where are Eminem and Ludacris in your list of greats?

    in Caught in the Middle

    Posted · Edited by Bob

    I've been spending time really evaluating my top list of all time (in opposed to studying for finals :thumbsup: ), and I have definitely changed my mind on alot of things. I realized I can be realllllly influenced by hip hop's current climate. And by what some rappers say in self-promotion. But it seems as many times as I look at it, I realllly feel that Ludacris needs a spot somewhere, but I can't place him. Eminem, on the other hand, as much as I can lock myself into listening to him, seems to always just be here for the now, and not someone I see as a legend ten years from now.

    Maybe I'm just on the Ludacris bandwagon, but creatively, metaphorically, I have such a hard time putting too many rappers ahead of him. And now he's really starting to bring out important aspects into his rap. He never "limited himself to the south" so he doesn't just sit there as a great South rapper; I believe you can discard the "South" tag.

    The other thing is, I see that we almost make our list as an East Coast Exclusive, with 2 to 3 exceptions. Are we just blind by the East Coast version of Hip hop? Or is that just the greatest "brand" if you will?

    I can't get over the fact I want Ludacris in my list, but I can't figure out where because he's almost like an exclusive case to himself. Eminem is just like there and I have no clue how to rank him.

    Can we even rank? maybe we have to say "Best rappers of this type of hip hop" "Best rappers of that type of hip hop"

    Any Ideas? It's bugging me to no end....

  13. Lost and found

    in Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince

    Posted

    I hear ya on that. I think that anything can be pushed to sell what 50 has sold, but you have to dump tons of money out there, or somehow generate 50's buzz using controversy. Since Will isn't one for starting crap, he didn't have the controversial aspect. So you say, ok, the only other option would be to lay out tons of money? Not really, instead I believe that when something like Lost and Found moves the units it did by mostly carrying itself in content not singles (minus the hit "Switch" of course), you can say, well that proves how good the album really is. But to answer your question, if all you are concerned about is the bottom line, then yes, they could have easily increased sales with a more focused promotion scheme. But Will has never been one to do that. Only up-and-coming controversial rappers and the older, self-proclaimed greatest get that treatment.

  15. New Generation itching to get rid of the old?

    in Caught in the Middle

    Posted

    First it was Lil' Wayne, who basically said that Jay-z has nothing on him, and later yesterday, elaborated to say he is better than everyone out there.

    Then Jeezy sounded off on Nas, making it clear he didn't feel Nas had credibility.

    Now Jay and Nas are no longer the young ones coming up. They are the part of a generation of hip-hop that is getting older.

    My question is, with all this hate coming back to the two, for "coming back cause the game needs me" (Jay) or cause "hip hop is dead" (Nas):

    Is it that Jay and Nas are just acknowledging that this genre of music is degraded and continuing to decrease in quality, or are they just "ol' folk" who don't wanna give it up that the new breed is here, and that's the direction it's going, with or without em?

    Idk what I really feel. I feel alot of what Jeezy puts out, but I reallly love the stuff Jay and Nas keep coming out with. But aside from Papoose, who is out there that can commercially be as successful as Nas or Jay down the line while still holding on to "hip hop" as Nas and Jay subscribe to?

  19. Full Album: Hip Hop is Dead has leaked!

    in Caught in the Middle

    Posted · Edited by Bob

    I just got ahold of it myself within the past 30 minutes, so I ran through the whole tracklist haphazardly. I have to say though I'm feeling it. Don't worry, just because he signed to Jigga doesn't mean he's lost who he is; it's definitely a Nas ablum, you just feel it. The production quality does seem a notable improvement, especially early on in the album. All the leaks are on the CD, minus "The N" but we all knew it was a B-side track from the start. I can't critique too much yet, I'm about to go to the gym and this will definitely be playing on my mp3 player.

    I do have to say though, his last song is titled "Hope" and is a cappella. VERY creative.

    EDIT:

    After playing this for the last day, I have to say it is one of my fav's. The diversity of tracks is second to none. With snoop, Trey, Game, even Kanye sounding good, Nas keeps things unpredictable. From street tracks, to plenty of soul tracks, Nas somehow grows even more so as an MC.

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