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Could you provide a reference for it?
Miller, Roger LeRoy. Economics Today. 14. New York City: Addision Wesley, 2007.
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but how much responsibility goes to the government and how much to the market.. I dont think it was clintons fault people invested in all these dot com businesses which were shaky at best in the late 90s..
Clinton embraced the dot-com bubble by allowing the fed rates to be high even when the burst was becoming obvious. Basically he let the well dry before anyone did anything. Instead of trying to cut rates initially, they sat back, as they felt it was too good to fall apart. No one did their homework on the economy in that administration.
Again, I don't mean to sound like I know all, because I certainly don't, but I haven't heard one thing otherwise from economists that points to a current economy being in any way an immediate reflection of the actions taken.
And unemployment went down I believe to new lows even during this subprime fiasco for quite some time. Obviously now things are drying up all over but I just like to look at the numbers and not just go off of people who are naturally inclined politically to believe a certain thought. I'm not saying Bush is the best president, because he's certainly not, but he isn't the devil and people naturally accept him as the goat regardless of the facts behind it.
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I don't think you can really credit or blame Clinton for the dot com bubble. It seems as though several times in the US's history, new technologies have emerged that created a nearly identical expansion and collapse. For example, the railroad expansions and industrial revolution in the 1800's and then mass production and the automobile expansion of the early 1900's. You see a pattern where a technology is introduce that can "change everything". You see an initial boost to production, efficiencies, etc... based on the new technology. People see this boost and want to cash in on it, wildly investing and trying create new uses for the technology. Since it's new, people don't know what is a good idea and what's not, so a lot of these end up failing. Enough fail, you get a tipping point, and people run like mad from the new technology. And finally, based on earlier success and failures, people figure out how to properly use the new technology, what it's limits are, etc, and it correctly gets incorporated into the economy.
The last recession in 2001, wasn't declared until mid-2003. You could probably look it up on an economist wiki page or something, it's a common fact that there is a big gap between implemented national policy and it's effects. Time action lag is a legitimate economic concept taught at the basic macro levels.
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This idea that clinton killed the US economy is ludicrous
Schnazz absolutely nailed it right on the head. It's an agreed consensus by economists that it takes many years from inputting the policy to seeing results in the economy. Clinton led an era of good-feelings/rub-under-the-carpet write-ups and really set the stage for a recession.
Clinton did kill the economy. He really set us up for a topple-over effect. The market corrected itself when the re-valuing of companies not based on physical materials (i.e.-dot-com) showed a real lack in the true monetary possiblities of these companies. More specifically, a breakdown in their Information Systems units that took payment and translated them into the service the site offered. From that point, Greenspan had to do emergency action which was creating a housing-net to catch all the people screwed out of their money for investing in such dumps. That plan looked nice on paper but banks took the opportunity to use this lazy-loan policy to eventually lead us to this subprime problem that has been hitting the Dow like crazy.
Anyway, here's Schnazz's on-point perfect description again:
I've heard a lot of people claim the theory that the economy is delayed from the president. So Reagan/Bush's policies created Clinton's economy. Clinton's policies created W's economy, etc... A while back I looked at unemployment (and another factor, I forget which though) in relation to who was president, it was surprising in it's clarity. I think it went back to 60's or 70's, I'm not sure, but there was a very obvious trend. Unemployment showed stead massive growth when Reagan came in and was an upward trend through his presidency and Bush Sr's. Clinton's showed steady decrease through his entire term. Then with W's presidency it started growing again. A pretty simple relationship, but interesting none the less.Again, Clinton did kill the economy.
For example, it takes 2 years after a recession for it to be officially DECLARED as one by economists. It's called time-action lag and is a real effect that comes from the bureaucracy associated with implementing national policy. Now I don't claim to be a master of economics but I've studied it hard and every professor Ive had for Micro, Macro, Economic Geography, and International Econ have all alluded to this "theory" as more of a principle on which to base most understandings of Macro involvement at the Federal level.
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oh fun, i love this. clinton kills the economy, bush brings us to war. clinton supports killing innocent life, bush fights wars he doesn't have to.
let's not make this a political forum...
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I thought this thread was about the GOAT.
Sorry, Wilt the Stilt's number was 13!
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if it was any team other than the midgets (or for that matter, the cowgirls), I'd be gun-ho for an upset. But I can deal with a perfect cheater as the Super Bowl winner than the midgets bragging about upsetting the Pats.
Or they could just blow-up the Super Bowl this year.
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my vote for the playstation is for the wonderful ps2 and original playstation. if ps3 was reasonable, and i had an hdtv to spare, and they had good games, maybe i'd go next generation. until then, nope
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Wasn't Born to Reign a concept album? I think the term "Concept album" is getting popular now because Jay-Z used to describe his new "American Gangster" album.
I had never heard that B2R was that. And it didn't really follow a line of thought, it went everywhere. Concept albums are huge with indy/punk/rock bands and have been for some time. Coheed and Cambria are a favorite of my friends, and they have made 4 studio albums with a storyline of a civil war in space.
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WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHATTTTTTT
I had no clue either. wow, how many other video gems does will have of which I was unware???????
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ha, my opinions are known on cage so i'm not upset on that one
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hey you guys!!check this out.
Will may be in the running for Steven Spielberg's next movie: The Trial of the Chicago 7
While of course nothing is Confirmed this would be a great movie. and honestly could be a much better choice than "Seven Pounds"
here take a look: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=40624
I know its is DEFINITELY NOT CONFIRMED, but it could be a really good story. :sipread:
I'm against Will in this movie. It's going to be a loaded cast and Will makes gems with a few co-stars holding their weight and not hogging the light. The actors who are big in these major collaboration movies (that is, every big actor is cast and the producers go over their heads in the budget for cast) get lost between each other, and play politic games to get a bigger spotlight.
I say he stays with the formula of finding an independent movie type and bringing it to blockbuster heights.
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I saw this one yesterday and think it's absolutely hilarious he curses every other word in the same sentences as becoming a minister and talking about his gospel album. it's absolutely not genuine if he goes and talks about killing on one cd and then is talking about turning the other cheek. i'm not impressed.
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if will goes on record from "no more music" to "a tour of classic stuff" to "a single"...he's setting us up for a return. i think at least once he gets in the studio, he's gonna wanna do more.
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The time travel idea is close to what I would see....a "kid" maturing to a man...not neccessarily to a superstar movie actor...but like a kid from west philly mad at his parents when they take him to the gallery and buy him wack stuff to the father who makes his kids have a curfew. i think it would be his style to do it, and within in it, different interludes...first with trey and his dad backtalking each other, then jaden making fun of his dad, and then willow singing a final song on the outro.
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I'm thinking the Patriots will finish undefeated.
I'm rootin' for the Seahawks to go all the way though! :wickedwisdom:
they fought through a hell of a season. it'd be fun to see them do it this year. especially since I'm an underdog fan...I have to be, thus my philadelphia sports love.
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unneccessary hulk hogan pose---insert...wait for it...not yet....ok....
here. :woowoo:
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what's funny is every analyst keeps saying that if the Eagles didn't screw themselves, they'd be the pick in the NFC cause they are hot right now and on all cylinders....and they point to a Super 5 who's healthy and throwing well...who would QB a team that with a backup almost beat the Pats...oh well, next year we won't shoot ourselves in the foot.
By the way, the Giants should not at all play their starters. Their coach has a job to prep his team to win meaningful games. This game means absolutely nothing to the Giants and could only hurt them. And I'm saying this as someone who loathes the Giants.
Uh, and Colts or Jags will say goodbye to the Pats Super Bowl trip. And the conversation will ensue as to the reality the Pats wore themselves out.
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That's good, but something where he slaps his own face and kind of brings his hand down. Maybe his lip jiggles a little bit after his hand moves off his face.
The little details make all the difference.
God Blessa!
Nah, it's cool, you don't need to show your frustration with just realizing the truth...
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Geez, Bob, this reply took too long. How can you expect anyone to know what things like F&L mean? That was forever ago. I'm not going to do another point-by-point argument because a lot of what you're saying is just you're opinion and an endless argument is just exhausting. I just wanna say: I don't find the production sounds the same at all. I never said Talib runs out of breath. I will say that I don't believe Lupe does either. I think his flow is on point. Lupe isn't making a million political songs so I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm too indifferent to the poetry intro to argue for it one way or the other.
God Blessa!
F&L---food and liquor? would make sense considering we are talking about the artist who has an album of that name.
His whole album is the definition of talking about all the worlds problems...top to bottom with only a few songs not addressing a topic politically motivated.
and yes, it took too long cause I didn't touch the boards until today. Mainly because I saw the AOL thing about Will and Hitler. I was enjoying my Christmas!!! and everything leading up to it. I hope everyone else was too.
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Q-Tip asked him to do it.
I thought I'd start with this one....Q-Tip denied this, as he said it was VH1 who set up ALL the performers. So VH1 asked him, Q-Tip wasn't the one making the decisions.
I read your reply this morning but I had to get going so now is my first chance to reply. I've had the time to think about what you said while listening to the CD in my car. Me being the music master that I am have come up with my 6 counter-points to prove why you are wrong and I, the Great Chris, am right:1. Flow: Completely disagree with you.
2. I'll give you this, Food & Liquor's production was very organic. Everything fit together really well. The Cool has great production on though as well and I think it doesn't make much sense hating on it. Go Go Gadget Flow sounds nothing like Paris, Tokyo. Hip-Hop Saved My Life sound nothing like Go Baby. Hi-Definition sounds nothing like Hello/Goodbye.
3. You're making an odd point. An odd point that I again disagree with. I'm listening to him right now and if the guy didn't pause when he does then he'd run out breath and out of words.
4. Introduction. So do you hate all Slam Poetry then?
5. I don't think Lupe is trying to be a political emcee. Why is it unacceptable talking about many different big topics? I've had my fill of bad rappers talking about the same stupid topic ALL the time. How many different topics does Will Smith tackle in Tell Me Why?
6. Fame. "FACT IS" you're really just saying that's his goal. Fact is you don't know his master plan. His first album wasn't called "Get Rich or Die Trying", it was called "Food & Liquor".
I don't think he's nearly as complicated as you're making him out to be.
God Blessa!
(I shortened alot of it to not make people scroll, but I read the whole thing)
1. Sometimes he could be replaced with T.I...other times, q-tip, other times Kweli, common, Mos, Method Man. It's just not unique. I'm not going to say Kanye cause I think he takes more off of Lupe than Lupe off of him, but I still think Lupe hasn't created his own, individual style.
2. The production uses the same, limited arrangement of instruments. Sure, the tempo, rhythm, melodies are different, but it's the same 5 instruments. That gets repetitive if it isn't organic. Organic music to me can be done with limited instruments and if untouched and raw, can be fine. It's when you use audio engineering and butcher the initial sound and create something new, and use that same setup the whole album through. Regarding F&L, it felt enough of a different arrangement of instruments to make F&L worth a listen.
3. Talib NEVER sounds out of breathe on it. He flows that way. It works for him. Lupe rushes to the end of the breakpoints and then holds; it's extremely forced, maybe not on F&L as much, but definitely on this latest album.
4. Poetry on an album should be that of the artist. It's not his words and they seem to reach to be prophetic. And they aren't; they are forgettable.
5. Will did that with one song and did it well. Individual songs of Lupe's may be tolerable for it, but when you make of litany of what's wrong with the world today for an album, you are just doing that, striving, in a forced way, to make yourself standout as this uber-political emcee.
6. I respect those who, regardless of profession, do it out of the sheer 1.) enjoyment AND 2.) competitive urge to be the best. Lupe either 1.) is completely complacent and not "in it to win it" OR 2.) Convinced he's acheived the status of one of the best, and that is extremely premature, and immature.
Either one gets no respect from me, regardless of his work so far. It's the manner in which you approach your work.
Now I saw the one comment about Styles P being more enjoyable. I enjoy that album yes, but it doesn't really hit me as something special. Lupe's feels too forced and too broad.
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oh wow, i go and enjoy Christmas and not go on here for three days and I get hit by AOL news and am like....what are the hype fans saying? haha, anyway, you take this with a grain of salt, as long as it doesn't blow up like it did for Tom when he called foul on the farce practice of psychiatric drug prescribing.
this should blow over. hopefully.
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Your ears are broken.
God Blessa!
Well, considering my taste in music is second to none :stickpoke: , I'll try to explain myself:
1.) His flow does not stand out. I mean, every rapper has something distinct in his flow. You hear a KRS track, you know it's a KRS track and if anyone else bit it, you'd know just because of the swagger/flow in the way the rhymes are written. And that's with ANY rapper, regardless of quality: you know who wrote it by the way the material flows. Lupe's rhymes, while extremely clever, feel like any number of rappers could speak it and you wouldn't know the difference. He doesn't stand out from the pack in his flow. Instead it feels like he follows the curve with a little bit of everyone in his rhymes.
2.) Production is repetitive. The first album was notable in the diversity of production, while this album feels like Linkin Park was behind every song. Very inorganic music with too much of that signature altered drum and that signature altered snare and the signature altered clap...it's all signature in the sense so many synth bands overuse it, and now Lupe jumps into that mix.
3.) His breathe points in the music feel forced. This is a minor problem, but Kanye too has the same problem. It feels like a physical barrier they have in the way they rap that is very noticable. They break abnormally at correct intervals. It's as if they want to rhyme into the middle of a verse and take a breathe, yet they don't because they know the correct intervals, so they end up taking forced breathes early.
4.) The introduction. It really feels like Lupe gets too high and mighty with these poems. I don't like them and it really just makes me not interested.
5.) He attacks too many themes at once. Guns in the hands of children? Good conversation topic. Oh, now obesity in America? Where's the transition? Why the forced run around the world of topics. It feels like his effort is spread thin by trying to be this uber-conscious rapper, when he could specialize on a few topics and be hailed as an awesome political MC.
6.) This is an offshoot of #5 but I feel, especially with him saying he will retire after the third album, that he's trying to attain a lofty status and in doing so squeezing in so many different themes into one album to build his catalog. The fact is, you don't become legendary that way. You become notable in the time period you performed, but it's how you consistently create that causes people to categorize you in the higher ranks of whatever genre or niche you're going for.
I just think he tries to do too much in too little and ends up turning me, the listener, away.
Maybe I'm the only one, and if so, that's fine.
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I can't stand "The Cool."
I tried my best, I just really, really don't feel it. I can't even play it on shuffle with the rest of my collection. I don't know why but it really annoys me.
HOV IS BACK! NEW TRACK!
in Caught in the Middle
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This is the only type of beat Jay would let Timbo do. Jay kept off of Timbo tracks since timberland went wacko and repetitive. Timbo's best was before 2004. And if anything, it's promising to hear Timbo go back to the drawing board.