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The Eagles-Bears game was on Fox Philadelphia(Channel 20 in Seaside Heights, New Jersey) and the Giants-Packers game was on Fox New York(Channel 5 in Seaside Heights, New Jersey). Did anyone watch the Monday Night Football game between the Chiefs and Ravens last night on ABC? The Chiefs won their 1st game of the season 27-24, Priest Holmes ran for 2 TDs and Deion Sanders didn't play because he was hurt with his hamstring, he shoulda stayed retired. I was switching between that and the VH1 hip-hop special at 10 PM when that came on.

Hey now all those fans who only listen to new school hip-hop should check out the lyrics from this 2003 song "9 Elements" by KRS-ONE where he rapped about what real hip-hop is all about, they should buy his albums to find out what real talent is, I love this song so much Well my ladies and gentlemen This is a rapsession and my name is "KRS-One!" And when I talk about "Hip-Hop Music!", I know [Kris] One : Breaking or breakdancing Rally b-boying, freestyle or streetdancin' Two : MC'ing or rap Divine speech what I'm doing right now no act Three: Grafitti art or burning bombin' Taggin', writin', now you're learning! uh! Four : DJ'ing, we ain't playing! {*scratch*} You know what I'm saying! Five : Beatboxing Give me a {*beatboxin*} Yes and we rockin'! Six : Street fashion, lookin' fly Catchin' the eye while them cats walk on by Seven: Street language, our verbal communication Our codes throughout the nation Eight: Street knowledge, common sense The wisdom of the elders from way back whence Nine : Street entrepreneur realism No job, just get up call 'em and get 'em Here's how I'm tellin' it, all 9 Elements We stand in love, no we're never failing it Intelligent? No doubt Hip-Hop? We're not selling it out, we're just lettin' it out If you're checkin' us out this hour, we teatchin' hip-hop Holy integrated people have it, I'm the present power! [Chorus] Rap is something you do! 3x Hip-Hop is something you live! *scratched* Rap is something you do! Hip-Hop is something you live! *scratched* [Kris] Skaters, BMX-bike riders rock Don't you ever stop! You are hip-hop You doing the same things we did on our block in the suburbs You know you be packing that black block Selling that crackrock and ecstacy Gettin' pissydrunk, fallin' out next to me But like I told those in the ghettoes Here's the facts! True hip-hop is so much more than that Some much more than rap, so much more than beats Hip-hop is all about victory over the streets What you see on TV is a lie That's not something you wanna live or pattern your life by But, huh that's too much preachin' ain't it? You don't want the ?education?, you wanna be dead on the pavement Well, so be it, some of ya'll ain't gonna see it Others wanna enslave your mind! Kris wanna free it! [Chorus] Rap is something you do! 5x Hip-Hop is something you live! *scratched* "Oh yea" *scratched* --- From "P is dead" "I have spent my whole life livin'", "talk to the fullest", "no doubt" [Kris] You know that's why these rappers can't hang Cause the essence of hip-hop is not a material thang They so careless, hip-hop is in a {?} we give Rap we do, hip-hop we live How many times I gotta say it? How the radio ain't gonna play it And you hip-hoppers sit back and okay it Think about it! (think about it) The present course of action, we have got to reroute it! [Chorus: repeat 3X] Hip-Hop is something you live! You see ol' school mcs spit reality while new school mcs rap like life's a movie! :ditto:

It flows so well! :thumb: Keep on posting 'em! :rock:

It was on today? :dunno: I guess they're trying to make up for all the time that they don't show hip-hop then but showing everything at once!

Chuck D supports 50 Cent 'cause he just loves the hip-hop culture as a whole just like FP does 'cause Will's cool with Nelly too they did that MTV interview together a couple of years ago, and Rev. Run talked about how Eminem has some skills in what he rhymes, they know deep down that these cats are wack but they just wanna see hip-hop stay out there no matter who's there these cats never really got in a hip-hop beef and they don't wanna start one now 'cause they want peace and that's not being soft, they're just trying to lead these young cats in the right direction but it seems like no matter what they're told they don't listen anyway! :bang: Even when KRS-ONE beefed with Nelly he said in an interview that Nelly's a talented artist but he just needs some direction on how to make real hip-hop and should respect the veterans that struggled for Nelly to get success that he's getting now! You're right AJ about Mary J. Blidge being hip-hop she expresses a lot of pain and emotion in her songs from her soul, that's what real hip-hop is, music from the soul, before hip-hop started there was artists like James Brown, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, Patti Labelle, Ray Charles, and Marvin Gaye who blueprinting the basis of real hip-hop, music with heart and a strong message, you gotta give it up to them!

[quote=lambertj3,Oct 4 2004, 07:49 AM]RESPECTFULLY bigted thats YOUR opinion not evryone will agree with you on that maybe on this board yes but everyone on here makes up of about 5% of the world and you can't tell them they know what real hip hop is because its a matter of personal prefference , i can't tell u what real hip hop is because we have a difference of opinion, it's all about PREFERNCE![/quote] It seems that I can back up my opinion and you can't that's the difference between me and you, what's the use of saying something when you can't just back it up! Maybe I would respect ur opinion more if you said something of why G-Unit is relevant, what else do they offer to the game besides songs about ****ing bitches and having phat rides, I do like some gangsta rap groups like NWA that make songs more than just about that 'cause songs like "F*** The Police" and "Express Yourself" have strong conscious messages to them, they're more hardcore hip-hop, but they're considered a gangsta rap group technically and G-Unit has nothing on them 'cause they're not conscious about anything, some other group will come along soon and take their place on the charts and nobody'll remember them after they fall off ! :ditto: At least AJ and me back up our opinions so shut up if you can't 'cause I don't respect people that can't back up their opinions! :ali:

[quote=Hero1,Oct 4 2004, 06:36 AM]how do you know hip hop if you dont know where its come from? kids these days they know 50 g-unit and thats all.. talk to em abt epmd and they got no idea.. they dont understand the impact public enemy had.. what run dmc did for rap.. etc etc[/quote] They should watch the VH1 special this week to learn about the real essence of hip-hop. Do you know what real hip-hop is lambert and if u did, u think that D12 and G-Unit could actually be considered legends, explain it to us 'cause we wanna know how they could stack up against Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, De La Soul, NWA, Get Fresh Crew, Juice Crew, Boogie Down Productions, Eric B. and Rakim, JJFP, Salt-N-Pepa, Run-DMC, Naughty By Nature, Fugees, Beastie Boys, Gangstarr, Nice and Smooth, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Outlawz, Outkast, Digital Underground, Geto Boys, Sugar Hill Gang, Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five, Afika Bambattaa and The Zulu Nation, I could go on all day naming groups that're better than them, they can't even hold their own against Rough Ryders or Terror Squad let alone these other groups I mentioned, and I'm only naming groups here that're better than them, I could name a bunch of solo artists too that're better than 50 Cent and Eminem and back it up with proof not propaganda, the only reason why they're hot is 'cause Dr. Dre makes beats for them and it seems like people like beats better than lyrics these days 'cause they ain't sayin' nothin' intelligent when they rap, he should keep those beats and make his own album 'cause he doesn't need them since he's a legend already! Let's see if you could answer my question in a paragraph and not a 2 sentence answer!

Speaking about little guys I'm amazed about how Spudd Webb beat Dominique Wilkins in the slam dunk competition in the '80s, he's only 5'7 and he won over one of the greatest dunkers of all time, he musta had a mini-trampelene in his sneakers to get that high!

What's up y'all there was some exciting games yesterday, the Eagles beat the Bears yesterday 19-9 where both teams played strong defense but the Bears were no match for the Eagles! :switch: I couldn't belive that the Giants beat the Packers 14-7, there was no score at halftime, but Brett Favre got hurt with a concussion so the offense hurt as a result! Anybody else watch games yesterday?

It sounds like something that teeny bop fans who think that 50 Cent and Eminem are the greatest rappers should watch so that they'll know about hip-hop's history so that way they could spend their money on real hip-hop classics! :ditto:

There's no doubt that it's gonna be dope, this is FP we talkin' about here, he's been consistant for 18+ years, I don't think that he'll come wack now! Let FP take his time with it and get the proper promotion ready for it so that he'll come back and hit the industry strong!

The Raptors had an awesome team 4 years ago when Mugsy was playing for them, they had: Vince Carter, Charles Oakley, Tracy Mcgrady, Mugsy Bogues, Dell Curry, Jerome Williams( aka junk yard dawg), and Kevin Willis(he's played with a lot of different teams in his 20 year career), they were upset in the 1st round though by the NY Knicks who lost in the Eastern Conference Finals to the Pacers, time sure flies, that felt like yesterday, I can remember Funkmaster Flex talking on Hot 97 about how Reggie Miller beat the Knicks again!

I do represent my own style, but what I mean by representin' 4 others I mean I'm trying to represent for the struggle that my people I know go through and I bring that energy when I rap rather than being just rappin' to just get myself rich and famous, I wanna help them, I know I could have a deal right now 'cause I got the talent, but the industry ain't representin' that type of emotion that would want me to get in so I ain't gonna change my image to get it, I'm not lookin' to be good enough for a label, I'm looking for a label that's good enough for what I wanna bring to the table, I rap to help change the world into more of a positive place, I know I'll eventually get my due in time, look at DMX it took him almost 15 years rapping before he got signed to Def Jam. BTW, I am well respected by my friends and fam for my rappin', of course there are a few friends that I had that turned their backs on me 'cause my style's too real for them and they're just jealous, I bet they'll wanna be down when I get my own record company though! :roll:

It's aight man, it ain't the best you did but it's good though, don't try and say n**** too much though, 'cause a lot of cats say that already and that gets played out in my opinion, it's cool that you get inspired by artists but you gotta remain original, I know you could do better, I'm gonna say this to motivate you man if you really wanna make success out of this! :ditto:

The entire '90s was such a great era of basketball, it wasn't just Michael Jordan 'cause he had a lot of competition, even the teams that missed the playoffs had a lot of talent, I was chatting with Tim about this yesterday, the '96 Charlotte Hornets had great players on it: Larry Johnson, Glen Rice, Dell Curry, Robert Parish, and Mugsy Bogues, not a bad starting 5, and Kenny Anderson filled in when Mugsy Bogues was hurt that year! :rock: They missed the playoffs though, but I bet they would've been the best team in the East if it were '04(at least until now when Shaq is on the Heat), that's how bad the talent has gotten, that's why I feel sad everytime one of the players that I grew up watching is now retiring 'cause there's not enough young talent comin' in anymore, players like Carmelo Anthony and Lebron James will never get to Michael Jordan or Dominique Wilkins legendary status. But there are some good role models in the NBA though we just don't here that much about it as we should, the other day on ESPN2 I saw Robert Parish go on there and talk about how he's starting a charity to help people that have spinal cord problems but you know they won't ever mention that again like they would if he were caught having drugs on him, you see controversy sells more than anything and that's sad! :sad6: Dikembe Mutombo donates millions of dollars of his NBA salary to build a hospital to help sick children to Africa but that doesn't get emphasised as much as a Lebron James sneaker commercial, Mutombo should be the one that gets paid $100 Million 'cause he uses his money to help others and that's what more should do! :ditto:

It's unfortunate that he doesn't get enough credit for playing the game the honest way, but people only pay attention to home runs and we have to wonder if some of those guys that're hitting 50+ home runs are on steroids, I'm a huge Barry Bonds' fan but it seemed weird that he had his 1st 50+ home run season when he was 37 years old, he was consitantly hitting 30+ home runs since '87 but all of a sudden he hits 73 in one year, it doesn't compute, his stolen base numbers actually have been abissmal since 2000 he has only 5 steals this year(Rickey Henderson has 37 stolen bases in the independent leagues at 45 years old and yet no major league team wants to sign him :bang: ), Bonds was stealing 30+ bases each year since '87 until then, something's not computing here, his leg strength decreased, but his arm strength increased? Back to Ichiro here, this is amazing considering how many great hitters have came along since then and are hall of famers and couldn't break this record, not even Pete Rose, Ted Williams, or George Brett came close to doing this, if Ichiro keeps this up he might have over 4000 career hits, he's amazing! :rock:

I check the Bulls' roster over at nba.com/bulls and Scottie Pippen's still on the roster, we'll know next week if he shows up at training camp if he's ready to play. The WNBA season's still going on, you can't front on them, those ladies got skills, when the league 1st started in '97 I wasn't much into it but a few years later I started to watch more and more they have a lot of talent there, the US Women team did something that the men failed to do bring home the gold, Sheryl Swoopes is such a great shooter, if she played on the mens team they would've done better 'cause it seems that the men struggled to make jumpshots that Swoopes consistantly hit! Karl Malone's daughter plays for the Detroit Shock and they won the WNBA championship last year, so she could talk trash to her dad about winning a championship and he didn't in his career now that he's retiring this year, his knee's not ready to go this season unfortunately! :sad6: I think the New York Liberty are gonna win the WNBA championship after beating the Shock in the 1st round of the playoffs, I'm surprised they're doing so well after trading away Teresa Witherspoon who was the heart and soul of that team, she's the female version of John Stockton, plays well in the clutch! I think that the talent of the WNBA is just as good as the NBA now, they deserve more credit than they get! :thumb:

So AJ you don't think that Will would ever collaborate with any of the ol' school artists that ain't on the Billboard charts anymore but are still dope on the underground like KRS-ONE, Public Enemy, Biz Markie, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, and MC Lyte? I don't understand that, artists should be judged by their talent not their record sales, in my opinion these cats that I mentioned above have more talent than the entire Billboard 200 combined right now (except for LL, Outkast, Fat Joe, and 213 of course)! I rather not see Will collaborate with any mainstream mcs other than those 4 I mentioned, Kanye West, and Nas, but other than that he should just do solo tracks rather than wasting time on suckers wack albums or ruining the flow of his album by putting sucker mcs on his albums! :ditto:

[quote=JumpinJack AJ,Oct 2 2004, 12:55 PM]One thing about Cassidy's comment. Hip-Hop is worldwide...but it's product of the US. Here in the US, this young generation has been raised 2 have pride rather than have confidence. With pride comes self-centeredness, ignorance, and a lack of thinking. I don't think Cassidy really said anything that bad, but it dose comes off as some new jack rapper commenting on a legend in a way that isn't totally respectful. These new guys like Nelly and 50 come out with all this pride which is foolishness. They think they are unstoppable and that nobody can touch them. Since their talent is often non-existent, their careers are short and forgetable. In the meantime, they don't pay respect 4 the legends who took Hip-Hop 2 where it is. FP is a legend...no new cats have the right 2 speak about him without giving him props...period. The same goes for those like LL, KRS, Rakim. These new guys need 2 watch what they say cuz they have nothing on the true skool of Hip-Hop.[/quote] I'm feeling your points AJ! Cassidy should also recognize that when FP came out he put Philly on the map, disrespecting FP is like disrespecting Philly 'cause he's done so much for that city where he's from. Confidance and respect is what a lot of these new rappers lack, but that's what seperates me from the pack as a young rapper, I have as much respect for the cats that I've grown up listening to as I do in my confidance in delivering my flows, that's why I don't have a record deal 'cause I ain't trying to be a gimmick, I represent with heart for more people than just myself, while a lot of these young mcs only represent themselves. I'm gonna put my time in then gradually I'll get my due the right way!

It wasn't pointless, if it was more organized it could've worked, people started to post articles about Will in there that should've been posted in the CD or Movie section, that forum could've stayed for only sports and current event news that don't relate to music or JJFP and "Caught In The Middle" could've been just for a music disscussion about other artists besides JJFP. Organization is all that was needed! :ditto:

You gotta be like Emmitt Smith and find your way to the endzone To be a legend you have to set goals and not let bumps and bruises effect the soul

Check out this article I found over at ESPN.com Friday, October 1, 2004 Associated Press SEATTLE -- No. 258 for Ichiro Suzuki was like so many others, a little ground ball up the middle. Only this one made history, a hit cheered 'round the world. Suzuki set the major league record for hits in a season Friday night, breaking George Sisler's 84-year-old mark with a pair of early singles as the Seattle Mariners beat the Texas Rangers 8-3. Friday, Oct. 1 While Ichiro's single-season hits accomplishment is impressive, we never should push accomplishments from the past aside -- because the season has more games today. There should be two records, one for the 162-game season and one for the 154-game season. I believe baseball ought to have two record books for all records, and both sets of records should be held in high esteem. Baseball should not diminish what George Sisler achieved with his 257-hit season. Hitters who played the same 154-game schedule came close several times but never surpassed it. And we'll never know how many more hits Sisler would have had if he'd played 162 games. Likewise, what Ichiro has done is impressive because baseball has seen more than 30 years of the 162-game schedule and no one has come close until now. So give both Sisler and Ichiro their due. "Through my career, I think this is the best moment," Suzuki said through an interpreter. "I can't really put it into words." Suzuki later got another hit, giving him 259 this season and a major league-leading .373 average. Suzuki chopped a leadoff single in the first inning, then put himself in the record book with a bouncer in the third. "I think that's the most emotional I've ever gotten in my life," said Suzuki, who is known for his steely, methodical approach. Fireworks exploded after Suzuki's big hit reached the outfield, creating a haze over Safeco Field, and his teammates mobbed him at first base. "Goose bumps aren't even the right word," Seattle manager Bob Melvin said. "That second hit almost brought tears to my eyes. ... If you're talking about sending a guy up for a hit, this guy is the best ever." With the fans still cheering, Suzuki ran over to the first-base seats and shook hands with Sisler's 81-year-old daughter, Frances Sisler Drochelman, and other members of the Hall of Famer's family. "My father would have been delighted," Drochelman said moments later. "He would be so happy to know such a fine young man was doing so well." Across the Pacific, fans in downtown Tokyo watched Suzuki in sports bars and on big-screen monitors. A crowd also gathered at the city hall in Suzuki's hometown in Aichi prefecture. "I would like to give him my heartfelt congratulations," Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said. "He has made extra efforts in addition to having a natural gift." Added Suzuki's father, Nobuyuki: "You can tell how happy and proud I am just by looking at me. The tears just won't stop flowing." Fans booed when plate umpire Joe West called a rare third strike on Suzuki in the eighth. Reliever Michael Tejera got the strikeout. But fans were back on their feet when Suzuki left for substitute Hiram Bocachica with two outs in the ninth. Mariners manager Bob Melvin made the move to let Suzuki get one more ovation, and the right fielder jogged in to cheers. "I just hope people realize the monumental effort it took to surpass this record, which has stood so long," said Seattle hitting coach Paul Molitor, who joined the Hall of Fame this summer. Sisler set the hits record in 1920 with the St. Louis Browns over a 154-game schedule. Suzuki broke it in the Mariners' 160th game of the year. His two early hits came off Ryan Drese, making Suzuki 10-for-20 lifetime against him. Suzuki's sixth-inning infield single came off John Wasdin. Drese ran the count full in the third, and Suzuki hit a bouncer up the middle, out of the reach of shortstop Michael Young. As the cheers got louder, Texas first baseman Mark Teixeira shook Suzuki's hand. "It was an honor to be here and see it," Rangers manager Buck Showalter said. "I wish I'd been in the stands instead of the dugout." Moments after Suzuki's 258th hit, he scored his 100th run of the season. The Mariners batted around in the third inning, and Suzuki hit a long fly that Laynce Nix caught on the run for the third out. Passing George Sisler Year Player Hits 2004 Ichiro 259 1920 Sisler 257 1930 Bill Terry 254 1929 Lefty O'Doul 254 1925 Al Simmons 253 1922 Rogers Hornsby 250 1930 Chuck Klein 250 1911 Ty Cobb 248 1922 Sisler 246 Note: Suzuki has tonight and two games remaining There was a scary moment for Suzuki in the top of the third. The Gold Glove right fielder chased a foul ball by Ken Huckaby that landed in the stands, and casually hopped up on the low, padded fence -- but then lost his balance. Suzuki fell awkwardly and came down straddling the fence, but was OK. "I was very excited tonight. Maybe I was going along with that. I'm glad nothing happened," he said. The crowd was on its feet and players in both dugouts were standing at the top rail when Suzuki led off the bottom of the first. Suzuki quickly matched the mark, bouncing a single over the head of third baseman Hank Blalock. Fans chanted "I-chi-ro! I-chi-ro!" and he acknowledged the ovation, briefly taking off his batting helmet. Each member of the family was in high spirits, fully expecting Suzuki to claim the record over the weekend. "I'd be totally shocked if Ichiro didn't get it," grandson Bo Drochelman said before the game. "We're here to celebrate baseball and my grandfather." Suzuki's first-inning single was his 919th hit in the majors, breaking the record for most hits over a four-year span. Bill Terry of the New York Giants set the previous record of 918 hits from 1929-32. About 115 journalists from Japan were credentialed for the three-game series. The 30-year-old Suzuki, a four-time All-Star, was a huge star in Japan during his nine seasons with Orix in Japan's Pacific League. He got 1,278 hits playing in his home country, and he left Japan with a .353 hitting average. Earlier this season, Suzuki became the first player to collect at least 200 hits in each of his first major league seasons. His 222 singles this year also are a major league single-season record. Suzuki was the American League's MVP and Rookie of the Year in 2001, his first season playing in the United States. He's also been a star with his defense in right field, winning three Gold Gloves in his first three seasons. Well done Ichiro! :clap: He's the best leadoff hitter since Rickey Henderson!

Eminem is too overrated, he gets recognition that other artists deserve much more!

That's an awesome story 3cookies, I guess Kevin Willis is a pretty down to earth guy then huh? That's great to hear after all these years of being a professional athlete, he never forgets his friends and doesn't let success get to his head like some in the entertainment and sports industry do, that kinda sounds like how Will never forgot 'bout his friends in Philly! :thumb: You still talk to him? What kind of music does he listen to? You should get him to post here so we could all say what's up to him! I got much respect for Kevin Willis, he's one of the hardest working players in the NBA, even after winning the NBA championship with the Spurs in 2003 he's still playing, I thought that he might have retired like David Robinson after winning one finally, he might break Robert Parish's record for career games played soon! :rock: He might not go to the hall of fame but he has something that Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, and Charles Barkley never won in their careers, that NBA championship ring, so he could talk trash to them about that!

Kevin Willis is a great center, very underrated considering that he's played in the same era as guys like Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Yao Ming, Robert Parish, and Dikembe Mutombo, but he fits right in that group, didn't he sign with the Hawks this season? They got some good players this year in the offseason, they signed Kevin Willis and Kenny Anderson among others they could make a run for the playoffs this year. My favorite team is the Chicago Bulls of course as I mentioned many tijmes in the "So Fresh" forum, I was hoping that the Bulls would sign Kevin Willis as a free agent in the offseason especially after trading Dikembe Mutombo away to the Rockets! :bang: Dominique Wilkins and Michael Jordan had so many memorable slam dunk competitions against each other, I was to young to see it though, but of course they show it on ESPN Classic now! :thumb: I hear Dennis Rodman's trying to make a comeback again, he tried out for the Nuggets, maybe he'll be playing with Carmello Anthony this year! :rock: I would like to see Mark Jackson finish his career where it started like Kevin Willis is doing, by going back to the Knicks, he would be a great mentor to help Stephon Marbury take his game to the next level, and I would like to see the Bulls bring back Horace Grant and Charles Oakley they're 40 years old but they still have skills, Eddy Curry's making progress but he needs help that Grant and Oakley would provide, they're such great defenders and could crash the boards well that's why they've played for almost 20 years now, like Kevin Willis they get overlooked but they're great players though! If the Bulls brought those guys back Scottie Pippen will give it another shot to play this season and the Bulls would head back to the top one more time! :clap: