bigted Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) This is funny that Kool Moe Dee ranks himself ahead of LL, Will Smith at #23 is respectable, Doug E. Fresh ahead of Slick Rick is shocking, Lauryn Hill only had one album so she can't be in the top 10, Queen Latifah should be top 10, why'd he put Lil' Kim ahead of Fat Joe? but hey at least he didn't put no wack rappers like Eminem or 50 Cent on here... http://oldschoolhiphop.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~8930.asp "Greatest MC's 1. Melle Mel 2. Rakim 3. KRS-One 4. Big Daddy Kane 5. Kool Mo Dee 6. Grandmaster Caz 7. LL Cool J 8. Chuck D 9. Notorious B.I.G. 10. Lauryn Hill 11. Nas 12. Queen Latifah 13. Tupac 14. Kool G Rap 15. Jay-Z 16. Treach 17. Method Man 18. Ice Cube 19. MC Lyte 20. Redman 21. Ras Kass 22. GZA 23. Will Smith 24. Busta Rhymes 25. Heavy D 26. Pharoahe Monch 27. Xzibit 28. Common 29. Black Thought 30. Scarface 31. Kurtis Blow 32. Run 33. Snoop Dogg 34. Guru 35. Ice-T 36. Doug E Fresh 37. Keith Murray 38. Mystikal 39. Kurupt 40. Slick Rick 41. Big Pun 42. Lil' Kim 43. MC Shan 44. Craig Mack 45. Jeru the Damaja 46. Fat Joe 47. Spoonie Gee 48. Foxy Brown 49. Mack 10 50. Just-Ice there were 17 categories that he rated each MC from 0-100 on. Originality concepts versatility vocabulary substance flow flavor freestyle vocal presence live performance poetic value body of work industry impact social impact longevity (this category skewers the list alot in my opinion) Lyrics Battle skills Edited December 15, 2005 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny 5 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 nice list, good to see Will at 23, considering almost everyone above him is considered to be a legend or at least highly respected. Cheers for posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnazz Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Interesting rating system. Melle Mel is a grandfather of rap, talented, important, but number 1? Naw... Queen Latifah ahead of Tupac? No chance. Treach ahead of Ice Cube? Cube has more depth and greater story telling skills, not to mention he founded a rap style that is all but the only style in use today. Heavy D and Mystical on the list??? I like both of them, but come on, top 25 and 38? You must be joking. Run at 32?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Kool Moe Dee should trade places between Melle Mel and Will! :yeah: Heavy D at 25 is actually realistic to me 'cause he put out 7 albums, he definately deserves that type of recognition, I don't anybody would put Kool Moe Dee in their top 5, he's probably the only one to feel that way, he must feel bitter that LL's still out and his career's dead now, I think it's more realistic for Queen Latifah to be ahead of 2Pac than it is for Nas to be ahead of 2Pac, I don't know what he was thinking to put Kurupt, Lil' Kim, Craig Mack, Foxy Brown, and Mack 10 on the list: Where's Salt-N-Pepa, MC Hammer, Talib Kweli, Ghostface Killa, and Shock G? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesSyde Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 solid list but: 2pac should be higher Run should be higher mystikal on the list was skeptical other than that it's a very decent list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerkot Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Ey ted, can you list where Will came in all the different categories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Brakes Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 One of the better lists i've seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) I didn't read the book, like Da Brakes said it's probably one of the best lists, I have a problem with Slick Rick being #40 though he should be top 10 easily, he influenced Pac, Biggie, Redman, and basically every mc above him there, him putting Lauryn instead of Wyclef, Wyclef has had more longevity than Lauryn, and I don't like that he put those few at the end of the list instead of Salt/Pepa/ MC Hammer/Talib Kweli though but this is the closest thing to a perfect list I've seen, I gotta get my hand on this book... Edited December 15, 2005 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfuqua23 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I think if we read some of his points, we might end up agreeing with him on some of his scores/picks. And seeing Melle Mel at #1, (I will honestly say I know nothing about this artist.) somebody needs to show him this list becuz wasn't he the one complaining about everybody thinking Rakim was more than he probably should've been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 (edited) See what I mean hardly anybody in this generation has ever heard of Melle Mel, he hasn't put out a recording in like 20 years when he was a member of The Furious Five with Grandmaster Flash, LL Cool J should be #1 'cause like Will Smith everyone knows who LL is, whether you're 10 years old or 50 years old, everyone from Bow Wow's generation to the president's generation knows him, it's obvious that Kool Moe Dee's bitter towards LL for killing his career, I'm surprised he even put LL in the top 10 but not many'd say that they think Kool Moe Dee is better than LL, LL has outlasted basically everyone ranked above him there too, KRS still makes albums but only his few hardcore fans buy them, I'm probably one of few under 30 who actually listens to KRS' recent albums, LL has been getting fans from the youth generation to buy his albums, Will should be in the top 10, especially after "Lost and Found", that should cement that... I notice nobody from the Beastie Boys is on there either and yet there's Xzibit, say it ain't so Kool Moe Dee!!!!!!! :paperbag: Lil' Kim has no flow, no substance, no performance, I don't understand what'd make Kool Moe Dee consider her an mc, I'd love to read that!!!!!!!!!! Edited December 15, 2005 by bigted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerkot Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Gotta buy this book yo. And when I do I will show you the lists. I can see why he choose Melle Mel, he got a great loud voice, things to say and he express his feelings in a GREAT way... better than most and defintely a top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigted Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 VH1 listed Kool Moe Dee at #48 a couple years ago, that's how you could tell he put a bias in his book :rofl: http://www.gotriad.com/article/articleview/3667/1/17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenetic Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Pretty good list even though i might question what the hell Fat Joe is doing up there, Xzibit 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turntable Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 It hilarious that he put him self above LL. :lolsign: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcpbball30 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Mystikal on the list is skeptical. Personally, I would have Will in the top 5 or 10, but nonetheless, that is a pretty respectable list. Talib Kweli definitely needs to be on there, he isn't mainstream, but he is such a good lyricist. Slick Rick is also a bit low at #40, he should at least be top 20, probably 10. It is funny that Kool Moe Dee has himself so high, above of LL, but it is his book, he can do what he wants I guess. I haven't really heard a lot of Xzibit, but #27 seems a bit high. Lauryn Hill above Tupac is also questionable. Overall, a decent job, one of the best lists I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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