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The Knowledge in ID4 was how we are all human and that all of our squabbles are really petty. They brought that clearly into picture when at the end the whole world had to unite to destroy the aliens, and the president said that it was "our independence day". If you remember they even had a scene that showed Israeli and Arab fighter pilots and planes based together.
Here's the president's speech:
Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in this history of mankind.
Mankind -- that word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that today is the 4th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation. We're fighting for our right to live, to exist. And should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
We're going to live on!
We're going to survive!"
Today, we celebrate our Independence Day!
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Perhaps the mistake that many here are making is ascribing ID to a traditional religious idea of God. You all seem to be hung up on some old white bearded dude hopping from cloud to cloud. I think that most of us can agree that this idea is based on many parts myth and man's own imagination. IMHO, the best way to look at ID is to not make assumptions, but instead examine the myriad amounts of scientific evidence that seems to point to some sort of intelligent manipulation involved in the creation and existence of life. This is indeed science.
What is the "myriad amounts of scientific evidence" that point to intelligent manipulation? The support for ID that I've seen is that things are too complex to be ascribed to chance. Be it the complexity of the first life forms or the complex structures of higher life forms. That there's no way for minor changes to lead to a certain complex system. This isn't evidence to support an intelligent design, all this is is showing that our current understanding of things is limited.
And as much as folks say that ID isn't religously oriented, I'm not buying it. ID means that some some "thing" that is beyond this universe set things up for us. This "thing" would be the one who created everything. How is that not God? How is that not super natural? That's a religion or possibly philosophy, but not science.
Man, I don't even have a smidgen of the amount of knowledge on this subject that you cats do, So I'll just pack up my opinions and step to the rear as quietly as possible. :heavy: :paperbag: :redface: :ohdear:
Let me ask a few stupid questions before I go though, just to make myself look a little more foolish. Say, if 100 or 1000 years from now, some scientists pick a planet to experiment on that is in exactly the state that early earth was in, just so they can prove the theory of evolution. They do what they have to to manipulate that planets atmosphere, just like the scientists you guys mentioned earlier, to bring about the ideal environment to develop life. Say they are successful and they do indeed get life to develop.
Is that proof of Evolution or Intelligent Design?
4 billion years later, if intelligent life on a par with our own develops, what conclusions do you think they will draw?
And the stupidest question of all, why is it so absurd to ponder whether this same question or one of a similar nature may have been asked 4 or 5 billion years ago?
There, I'm done. You can all commence to laughing now, I've got rhymes to write.
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hang on i thought you were from outer space :stickpoke:
I'd apply the same principles to extraterrestial life as intelligent design.. its like "the worlds so big their must be other life out there.."
"the world is so complex..a higher power must have created it"
hey both arguments may be correct but there is no factual evidence.. its like trying to complete a whole world when you can only see half of it .. you just don't know..
In my opinion scientists and others who dismiss intelligent design as a theory should not be scared of it and say it's non scientific but attempt to show that this is not the case, that such complexity can be attributed to evolution and other means..:stickpoke: :rofl:
well I think both cases should have to be proved ..not disproved.. :pony:
Evolution hasn't been proven either.
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I'm not saying intelligent design is religious.. I'm saying its not scientific.. its an answer to a question that cannot be answered.. its filling in the gaps to make the person feel comfortable in the world.. It helps explain the unexplainable.. I'd like to think the creation of life and existence can't be explained.. it's too easy for me :whew:
are we seeing the intelligence behind creation or are we just seeing the intelligince of creation.. its a bit of reaching for me..Do you think that the search for extraterrestrial life is not scientific as well? We currently have more "evidence" of intelligent design than we do of extraterrestrial life.
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I think the thing is that a lot of people look at it as strictly religious in nature when it really isn't solely about religion anymore. There is a scientific side to the argument; mainly that life processes are too complex and too ordered to have arisen by chance, especially when conditions were not predisposed to produce life. It's not a scientific theory I would describe as illogical.
See I don't think people are going to accept that as a scientific theory. We cant understand life its too complex therefore God exists.. its like God is beyond imagination, we cant imagine God. Therefore God exists. The argument in intelligent design is of a spiritual nature, not a scientific one.. just because certain scientists believe it doesn't make it any more important than someone on the street, because there is no proof..
Perhaps the mistake that many here are making is ascribing ID to a traditional religious idea of God. You all seem to be hung up on some old white bearded dude hopping from cloud to cloud. I think that most of us can agree that this idea is based on many parts myth and man's own imagination. IMHO, the best way to look at ID is to not make assumptions, but instead examine the myriad amounts of scientific evidence that seems to point to some sort of intelligent manipulation involved in the creation and existence of life. This is indeed science.
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Yeah it's like what Big Boi said on one of his songs: "Your whole shows consists of everybody's s*** but yours" which refers to pop rappers biting what those did before them did.
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I think the problem with hip-hop is basically how it's divided up in "commercial" and "underground" before it was just hip-hop, it's like 2 different political parties now, lol, I actually dig a lil' bit of both styles but on the most part you either like commercial or underground but I like anything as long as it's hip-hop, if it goes platinum or sells a few thousand, it could still be hip-hop to me, some underground stuff sucks too just like commercial stuff does, there's no difference, it's all music. Commercial artists should collab more with underground artists, I could actually applaud Kanye for attempting to do that, more commercial rappers need to do that, that'd bring more flavor to the game.
Just like not all Hip-Hop is Rap, not all Rap is Hip-Hop. The commercial Rap industry has been taken over and is now controlled by international corporations, who know and care nothing about Hip-Hop. Their only interests are profits. As in any other modern industry, the formula that they follow is mass duplicating, manufacturing, merchandising and marketing. The last thing that they want to do is to take a chance on an original design. They would rather adapt from or duplicate a successful design and mass market it. THAT is NOT Hip-Hop!
Hip-Hop is a culture based on creativity and originality. The biggest crime you can commit against Hip-Hop is to steal somebody else's "style". Most of commercial Rap on the other hand is created through intentional style duplication and replication. That isn't Hip-Hop, it's Pop Rap. :word:
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Basically dumbing down is making music that appeals to a younger audience, nothin' more than somethin' to dance to, something extremely catchy and it started with Sugar Hill Gang's "Rappers Delight" as the 1st commercial rap single, even Run-Dmc dumbed down "Walk This Way" is catchy is hell but a classic of course, but that's why a lot of people thought that rap wouldn't last in the '80s in a sense 'cause there was nothin' more than dance songs most of the time until conscious and gangsta rappers came out and started rapping more than just about being at the club, it was looking to be a novelty like disco if that didn't happen, that's happening again except most of the dumbed down songs suck now.
Must....resist....attempt....to....respond.......
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Cozmo makes a good point concerning focusing on teachings rather than the teacher, but oftentimes, a living example is far more powerful than the words he or she speaks, especially for young people. Young people are more realily apt to act on what they see rather than what they hear. At the very least, it creates a sense confusion... should a person heed what is said, or what is done.
The ironic thing is that, I'm willing to bet, the majority of rappers live "better" lives than they rap about. Kids probably would be better off seeing those rappers real lives rather then listening to their music.
I used to argue that very point to rappers that I worked with back in the '90s, when the NY thug rap scene was at it's peak. Every rhyme these cats would drop would be about drug dealing and shooting and killing, and when I took them to task on it they claimed that they were "keeping it real". I would point out that not one of them lived that sort of reality EVERY FRIGGIN DAY!!! So why the hell is it in every friggin rhyme??? :shrug:
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I was wondering if cozmo d is the cozmo d from newclues Jam on it.
Yeah baby that's me. :1-say-yes:
Oh shoot really.We have a celebrity in our midst people.I love jam on it Cozmo d and I forgot the others guys name i'll kick myself when I figure it out.You would problaby think I was older but I'm only 21 I'm just a huge old school fanatic.Music choice channels I keep it on old school rap they play Jam on it all the time.Wow this is amazing :rockon:
I'm honored man, thanx. :kool:
The "other guy" is Chilly B.
Damn it I knew it was chilly b all along dag I'm kicking my ass right now.If you don't mind me asking what's he up to and do you guys still roll.
Yeah we still do shows and tour together. We don't work on music as much together anymore, but that may change soon. Lady E and I will be doing a show in Gloucester, England this Saturday, and all of us will be performing in Palm Springs, CA on the 19th of November. There's a possibility that we'll be on a 32 city tour next year.
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I was wondering if cozmo d is the cozmo d from newclues Jam on it.
Yeah baby that's me. :1-say-yes:
Oh shoot really.We have a celebrity in our midst people.I love jam on it Cozmo d and I forgot the others guys name i'll kick myself when I figure it out.You would problaby think I was older but I'm only 21 I'm just a huge old school fanatic.Music choice channels I keep it on old school rap they play Jam on it all the time.Wow this is amazing :rockon:
I'm honored man, thanx. :kool:
The "other guy" is Chilly B. :lol:
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I was wondering if cozmo d is the cozmo d from newclues Jam on it.
Yeah baby that's me. :1-say-yes:
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Cozmo makes a good point concerning focusing on teachings rather than the teacher, but oftentimes, a living example is far more powerful than the words he or she speaks, especially for young people. Young people are more realily apt to act on what they see rather than what they hear. At the very least, it creates a sense confusion... should a person heed what is said, or what is done.
True that! Those who would seek to lead through their songs, especially if they reach out to the young, have a responsibility to lead by example as well. I would put KRS and Chuck D as well as others in that category, and have found reason to fault KRS for falling short in the past. I do draw a line between leading and teaching though, and frankly I haven't seen much evidence of Kanye West doing either. :lol:
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good point :word: but if they admit their flaws I got no problem.. all i'm saying is be honest :shrug: I just think there is too much music out there that isn't very genuine
I agree and I see your point. Because of the dire lack of music with any substance or integrity, when people do find some they tend to expect perhaps a bit too much from the artist. Having been an artist for so long I tend to forget that sometimes. You and I see it all the time with PM Dawn, and how people are often taken aback to find that Prince Be is not really some rapping reincarnation of Buddha, he's just a talented everyday brutha with deep thoughts and exceptional writing skills.
Frankly, I've been in this business for so long that I expect humanity at every turn. They're all human you know, every one of them. Not one of them is working for free either. When you come to this realization, you learn to appreciate the music even more, because a good song is immortal. Anything that can move or inspire you so much both emotionally and physically, and perhaps even spiritually...simply by hearing it...is truly amazing. The fact that it came from a flawed, tarnished individual shouldn't sully that.
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As for the living up to your music thing, why is it that only rappers seem to be expected to do that? They're songs people, nothing more. I do believe that rappers have a responsibility to at least balance their lyrics so at least their every word is not influencing their fans into a self-destructive mind state. We all know that many are failing at that woefully. But, they should be able to live their lives as they choose, as long as they're not hurting anybody else. They're only entertainers after all.
I think music is a very personal thing, If you are making statements in your music, or advocating a certain lifestyle, or even giving your opinion on issues. I expect that to be how you would represent yourself in real life. If you are making throwaway candy coated music then I don't care what you are doing. I think this applies to all musicians not just rappers. It annoys me that someone is telling me to live positive in their song and they aren't even doing it themselves.. I think the musicians that show real honesty in their music the good and the bad are gonna make a greater connection with there fans..
For me it's just like religion, too many people focus on the teachers instead of the teachings. Most of the greatest teachers and philosophers in history were flawed, because they were human. That doesn't necessarily mean that their teachings were flawed as well. Hell, even Jesus had his flaws, though Christians today choose to ignore that fact.
Now mind you, no way am I elevating Kanye up to anywhere near that kind of standard. :lolsign:
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The White Jesus existed as much as the Black Jesus. Not at all, but if there was a Jesus... well theres mainly like white people living in Bettlehem, right? Well, that could a be a reason why people think he's white. Plus, back in the days, black were often used as slaves and I dont think he could walk around and learn people stuff in like 20 years...
And by the way, lets say he was born in Africa somewhere... Swaziland, wouldnt the "normal" opinion be that Jesus is white? You gotta think about the demographics even in religion.
And maybe he wasnt black or white. He might have been a zebra, or even a woman!
No, there are mainly Arab people living in Bethlehem today. During the time of Jesus there were mainly Hebrews and other Semitic tribes. Semites are Asians, not Caucasians, and given their close proximity to Africa (basically walking distance) they were probably more of a darker hue than lighter.
Blacks were not used as slaves in those times. The people of that time did not have a concept of race, they thought in terms of nationality and lineage. Anybody could be a slave or anything else, race, color, religion, tribe, or language had no bearing on a person's station whatsoever.
The concept of race was developed in relatively modern times, chiefly as a means to justify the subjugation, exploitation, and/or enslavement of non-Europeans.
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I guarantee you that Will Smith had more than his share of groupies before he got married. I also guarantee you that just about every adult male entertainer and most of the females have watched porn. As for the living up to your music thing, why is it that only rappers seem to be expected to do that? They're songs people, nothing more. I do believe that rappers have a responsibility to at least balance their lyrics so at least their every word is not influencing their fans into a self-destructive mind state. We all know that many are failing at that woefully. But, they should be able to live their lives as they choose, as long as they're not hurting anybody else. They're only entertainers after all.
A few quick points on the Bible. As the 10 Commandments were understood and practiced at the time they were written and throughout the Old Teastament, Adultery could not be committed by a man unless he slept with another man's wife. It was a rule intended to keep wives in line. The rules on fornication were to keep female virgins in line. If a man slept with a virgin that was unbetrothed he had to marry her. If she was betrothed they would both be put to death. Otherwise, men, married or not, could sleep with whomever they chose (outside of family and in-laws and such) whenever they chose. Of course, that basically only left prostitutes, but the 10 Commandments was quite fine with that. I would say that if the Old Testament didn't frown on men sleeping with prostitutes it would probably not care much about men enjoying porn either.
BTW, I am a deeply Christian, though just as deeply non-religious person, and have been for many years. I have been with my wife for over 26 years now and married to her for over 24. I have never cheated on her, with groupies or anybody else. We have a nice little porn collection (and even a few toys) and enjoy them together from time to time. :1-say-yes:
Oh, and anybody who would think of Kanye West as some kind of leader is easily misled. I also agree with MaxFly that Jesse Jackson lost his leadership card a LONG time ago, and as far as I'm concerned Al Sharpton never even had one. Hell, I know That I never voted for either of them. I must have missed the memo about the election. :shrug: :rofl:
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You came at me personally first, just like you did BigTed and others, I just don't back down easily.By admiting that the reports were wrong, I've already admited that I was wrong to accept the level of crime that was reported. There are about 4-6 pages in the original thread with my stance. I've admited that with the newest reports concerning the level of crime, my original stance was wrong.Concerning the topic of "racist perceptions," all I can do is state the truth. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you. I don't know you, you don't know me, and so this opinion of yours is of no significance. You've chosen to make this personal. That's fine.
Concerning the govenment's slow response, my prior statements stand.
Concerning Kanye's statements on national television, my stance remains the same as well.
Concerning my being able to conceive of the actocities human beings can commmit... I've seen enough first hand to realize that human beings are capable of anything, whether good or bad, irrespective of race.
As to whether I respect my forum mates, I've made it abundantly clear to everyone my level of respect, both privately and openly. Again, the demagoguery is noted. Thanks.
My whole purpose of capitalizing the word "OUR" when speaking of racist perceptions was to include myself in that boat as well. Maybe you missed that.
We actually agreed far more than we disagreed on this whole thing. Our only true differences of opinion were on the level of violence, on the justification of the "shoot to kill" orders and whether racism was involved at any point. We now have a much clearer picture of what the true level of violence was, and I'm sure we can agree to disagree on the "shoot to kill" issue. As for racist involvement, my point was never that the inaction, reaction and slow response were racist, but that OUR racist perceptions were catalytic.
Perhaps if you hadn't tried to shut me down in such a condescending manner I would not have responded in kind. I even tried before to bring civility to the discussion, only to find myself enduring your threats. As for my demagoguery, I am nobody here, while you are a Mod. I presented facts at every turn, and they have all stood up. I have used creative, objective and open-minded thinking throughout. How that makes me a demagogue I have no idea.
Perhaps your forum mates are used to being treated in that manner, but I'm sorry, I am not. I am both a mod and admin at other forums and I would never treat my forum mates like that. However, I realize that that is me, and I am much more genteel than most. I do realize that more Mods behave as you have than not, so I guess then that I am the one in error. For that I apologize, because I probably should have just accepted it and tried to make my points without returning the vitriol.
Hopefully you won't find a need to further insult me. I don't mind you having the last word at all, but I've got this terrible habit of just having to answer back to insults.
EZ,
Coz
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Your willingness to believe that black people en-masse committed the purported horrors and atrocities, even in the face of evidence to the CONTRARY is PROOF of your racist perceptions, I can't say it any plainer than that, and I have said it now many times. You may say that the fact that these people were black had no bearing on your perceptions, but I don't believe you and I highly doubt if anybody else here does either.
By assuming the guilt of the populace there, without any evidence or reasoning beyond that of rumor, you showed your inclination to believe the worst of that populace. By INSISTING on the guilt of that populace DESPITE HARD EVIDENCE that showed that populace to be INNOCENT, you showed your DEDICATION to believe the worst of that populace. You may very well claim that under the same circumstances you would believe the same of white people, but I don't believe you, and why should I.
First I didn't insist on the guilt of the populace. Don't put words in my mouth. From the very beginning, I expressed that any crimes taking place in New Orleans were the act of a those who would take advantage of the horrible situation post Katrina for selfish reasons. The populace at large were victims, but there were a few who used the situation to their advantage. You are trying to twist that into saying that I was attempting to demonize the public. The demagoguery is obvious, and I don't think it will be lost on those reading this. Again, this is why when you say that you deal in "facts," you have to forgive me for being skeptical.
I'll state what I posted in the other thread you created.
Here lies the break down in the logic of your "racist perceptions" theory. The race of those in New Orleans had absolutely nothing to do with what I believed to be the case in terms of crime in the city. I wasn't more willing to believe these things because the population was largely black. Your only link to "racist perceptions" is the word "black" in statements such as "You went even further by being willing to believe that black people were capable of these horrible atrocities even with EVIDENCE THAT THEY NEVER HAPPENED..."
However, I have not said anything intimating that I believed these things because black people were said to be involved. Again, your claims are merely asinine personal attacks that are completely baseless, but it doesn't surprise me.
Incidentally, if you think I actually care whether you believe me or not, keep thinking that... I find it amusing.
Why did I believe these things to be true? I'll first reiterate that it has nothing to do with the race of those who were believed to be involved in crimes. That being said, police officers, local government officials, and citizens themselves had attested to many of these things, making definitive and unambiguous statement. The first contrary evidence was that there were not official reports. Considering that New Orleans had no real way to report crime, and lacked a police force capable of carrying out any serious investigations, this "evidence" was suspect.The one thing that you have yet to answer is WHY DID YOU BELIEVE IT EVEN WHEN ALL OF THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE POINTED AGAINST IT? To the point that you even ridiculed that evidence and me for presenting it? If it wasn't because these people were black then give us a reason for your totally illogical position. :shrug:Further evidence of a lack of bodies found in the convention centers and the superdome was more believeable and more easily verifiable, yet these didn't address things that took place outside of those two sites. The evidence simply wasn't expansive enough to speak on the conditions in New Orleans as a whole, as the claims of violence and disorder spanned beyond just those two sites and the majority of troops were commited to areas other than those two sites.
hey maxfly all you have to do is admit that the reports of crime were grossly over exaggerated..and maybe you were a little too quick to believe these stories..and its all over :gettinjiggywitit: I knew the truth would come out eventually..and it has.. I get a feeling this debate is gonna go into the new millennium tho :sick:
I've already admitted it Tim. It's the "racist perceptions" theory I'm trying to clarify. You have to admit, it's a heinous accusation, especially since I haven't said anything that would intimate that race was a factor in what I belived. It also doesn't mean that the government's slow response was due to racism. I suspect that Cozmo's goal is to link something... anything... to racism by the end of this discussion.
You may have admitted that the reports were wrong, but you have yet to admit that YOU were wrong. You have yet to put YOURSELF on blast for standing by something that has been shown to be inaccurate or ambiguous.
As for the racist perceptions thing, fine, I don't believe you. I think that you have racist perceptions and your actions here have proven it. I think America has racist perceptions and OUR actions here have proven it. That is all that I said from the very beginning and the evidence has and is continuing to support my position. It is a position formed from many years of intensely studying the racial climate in this country. It was impossible to conceive of Americans raping and murdering babies, but the fact that these Americans were black made the impossible possible.
I'm through, except to say this. You should try to show a little respect to your forum mates from now on. They could be right just as easily as you could be wrong.
EZ,
Coz
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im probably really stupid to jump in on this one, and just so Max knows i only scan read your posts so if anything is wrong please dont kill me haha.
But on this shoot to kill subject, i dont know if the news got to usa but after the attacks on London the police were looking for the people that did it and made security better. They were watching a house that had suspected terrorist activity. A man came out of the house and they told him to stop, but he didnt and he ran. The police shot and killed him and it turned out he was completely innocent. He shouldnt have ran and im not sure why he did but theres this huge thing now in the UK about police shooting to kill. They get it wrong and shoot before they ask questions.
Yeah, that story reached here, and is a perfect example of why I am against "shoot to kill" orders when involving the general populace. As I said earlier, when you issue "shoot to kill" orders when dealing with American citizens (in our case) you usually end up with dead Americans. I will not be at all surprised if a similar truth turns out to be the case in the NO bridge shooting incident.
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As EVERYBODY HERE CAN SEE so you can't twist my words anymore, I was specifically talking about the stories that YOU posted here. I STAND BY MY STATEMENT STILL! The only statement that PURPORTS to be first person is the one from the doctor. I tried to show you how it is common that people who are a part of a team or group will refer to what happens to that group as "we", even if they didn't personally take part, and of course you ridiculed me. Now we find that a portion of his "first person" statement NEVER HAPPENED, so we have to assume that either the good doctor was A) lying, B) grossly exaggerating, or C) was relaying what was told him by his colleagues and was misinformed or misunderstood. I will give the doctor the benefit of the doubt and choose C).
YOU insisted that these horrors took place even in the face of surmounting evidence to the contrary. When I asked you why, you had no answer, but stuck to it just the same. When I made the point that this was evidence of a racist taint to your perceptions, you got offended but insisted on ignoring all of the evidence anyway. Now you claim that, even though all of these horrors were completely unsubstantiated by anybody, sending in troops with "shoot to kill" orders was the right thing to do. You say that "they went in and reestablished order" when it is now obvious that disorder was extremely over-exaggerated. You say that it hasn't been demonstrated that the "shoot to kill" orders were wrong, when it has now been proven that those orders were given based solely on RUMORS!
Your words betray your mindset.
You have been proven to be WRONG. You have been proven to be a HYPOCRITE. You have been proven to be a BULLY. You have been proven to be GULLIBLE. You have been proven to be OBSTINATE. You have been proven to be ABSENT OF ANY HUMILITY. And WORST OF ALL, you have been proven to be willing to believe THE ABSOLUTELY MOST HORRIBLE THINGS OF BLACK PEOPLE, EVEN IN THE FACE OF EVIDENCE TO ABSOLVE THEM!!!
Kanye West said that they were sending troops down there to kill us. He was implying that the "shoot to kill orders" were unjustified. Turns out that he was right. You, on the other hand, still approve of sending troops with "shoot to kill" orders amongst the suffering innocent based solely on rumors, EVEN AFTER knowing this to be the case. Better hope that the police are never dispatched to your home under the same situation.
I have repeatedly asked you to point out things I have said that have exposed me as having "racist perceptions," yet you've repeated it without proof and devoid or logical reasoning. My belief that many of these crimes took place had nothing to do with the fact that most of those accused are black, yet, in essece, this is what you are saying.
As for the shoot to kill orders, those involved dealt with the information they had, even from Compass and Nagin. Again, I will clarify, they were the proper orders to be given at the time, especially looking back at how things turned out with the involvement of troops.
Kanye' statement. First, Kanye said that troops were being sent to shoot black people. If he wanted to say that the orders were unjustified, that is what he should have said. This is the second time you have sought to interpret what he meant by his statement. Before, you said that what he was trying to get across was his concern that black people may be grouped together, innocent and guilty alike, and shot at or harassed. How are you interpreting his statement now?
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Your willingness to believe that black people en-masse committed the purported horrors and atrocities, even in the face of evidence to the CONTRARY is PROOF of your racist perceptions, I can't say it any plainer than that, and I have said it now many times. You may say that the fact that these people were black had no bearing on your perceptions, but I don't believe you and I highly doubt if anybody else here does either.
By assuming the guilt of the populace there, without any evidence or reasoning beyond that of rumor, you showed your inclination to believe the worst of that populace. By INSISTING on the guilt of that populace DESPITE HARD EVIDENCE that showed that populace to be INNOCENT, you showed your DEDICATION to believe the worst of that populace. You may very well claim that under the same circumstances you would believe the same of white people, but I don't believe you, and why should I.
The one thing that you have yet to answer is WHY DID YOU BELIEVE IT EVEN WHEN ALL OF THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE POINTED AGAINST IT? To the point that you even ridiculed that evidence and me for presenting it? If it wasn't because these people were black then give us a reason for your totally illogical position. :shrug:
Oh, and as for your latest attempt to twist my words, I never said that at all. Here is the direct quote of what I said:
Yes, people shooting at rescue workers is unacceptable. People shooting at ANYBODY is unacceptable. Kanye was reacting to the "shoot to kill" orders that were issued, because he and every other black American knows that when it comes down to us it's "shoot first, ask questions later". -
I got one word for you Cozmo D...WHY?
Why are you waisting your time on this man? :hmm:
Because I see something in him, or at least I thought I did. Because there was a time that I was very much like him, but I was lucky enough to have people around me who never hesitated to put me in check when I thought too highly of myself. Humility is truly a blessing!
You are right though, and I appreciate your question and concern. I have a trip to England to prepare for, so let me get about my business.
Thanx yo! :whew:
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So Mr. Fly, what do you have to say to your forum mates? You showed everybody here FOR WEEKS how much bigger than them you imagined yourself, so now it's time you showed them just how big you really are. So far you're coming up mighty small...
I've already agreed that the reports of violence at the convention center and the superdome were overstated. That's not to say that neither violence nor crimes took place throughout the city. It also doesn't follow that troops should not have been given shoot to kill orders, considering the outcome and how quickly they were able to reestablish some semblence of order in the city without absuing their power.
And going back to the purpose of this entire debate, there is still no evidence that racism or the neglect or lack of concern for black people had anything to do with the govenment's slow response.
You've also tried to make this entire debate into a "who's smarter" thing from the get go. "Battling intellects" or something of that nature is what I believe you called it. It's certainly not about being bigger than anyone else. A debate is a debate. While a few argued that the delayed response was due to racism, I agrued that it was due to bureaucracy and incompetent govenment officials, while outnumbered. It's a far more serious discussion than who is smarter or who is bigger.
I'm more than willing to concede that you are smarter than me. In fact, I believe that I did so from early on. This thing is about the truth for me, as the truth is what I love above all else.
My point from the beginning was that the whole damm country was willing to believe that black people were capable of these horrible atrocities even without corroborating evidence, and that reveals OUR racist perceptions. You went even further by being willing to believe that black people were capable of these horrible atrocities even with EVIDENCE THAT THEY NEVER HAPPENED, and that reveals YOUR racist perceptions. Even now, you stand in favor of the deployment of troops with "shoot to kill" orders when it is obvious that no such thing was needed. Thank God that the only people killed were those who purportedly shot at the engineers. BTW, care to place a wager on what the truth will be of that situation once it is finally investigated?
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Well I think I could find something better to do with my life than to search the forum for tons of posts by one person just to criticize them :lolsign: jk
True that, and I actually have plenty other things that I should be doing as well. :1-say-yes:
Anyone watching ''Everybody hates Chris'' ?
in Caught in the Middle
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Well, that song they started last week's episode with was THE BOMB!!! They played it for a LONG time too! Some lucky guy is gonna get PAID!!! :gettinjiggywitit: