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[bigted]

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I believe that the removal of "If You Can't Dance" and the addition of "Coming to the Stage" would have made the album better...

I don't think that Wave 'Em Off is as bad as some people make it out to be, and if there is a track on the album that it is better than, I think it is If You Can't Dance, regardless of what track it was based on. The beat isn't that good, and the lyrics really aren't that good. Was Will contrained by Roxanne, Roxanne... most likely, but that still doesn't make the track good.

Incidentally, if people are truly serious in saying that they want Will to gain more respect in hip hop circles, are truly annoyed about black entertainment establishments not playing his music and are not just complaining for complaining's sake, I suggest you slowly back away from any advocacy of If You Can't Dance as a single or having a music video.

I was just saying that "If You Can't Dance" would've been even better than "Switch" as the 1st single, but it's only the 10th best song on the album so I don't ever want it to come out as a single literally, I never said it was my favorite track, and btw I heard a lot of Common fans say that "BE" has been falling off the charts 'cause "Go!" is a weak single, I'm not the only one to feel that way and some people have said "Lost and Found" has better production than "BE" does.

[Hero1]

Maxfly If you cant dance is one of those fun tracks.. you cant be serious all the time.. I think it was a neccesary track to balance out the album.. Coming to the stage is more of a hyped up track.. I think If U cant dance is pretty funny and fun.. I dont think it should be a video or single, but I still think it deserves its place on the album

[JumpinJack AJ]

I think "If U Can't Dance (Slide)" is one of my top favs now....and has been for months. It's the most JJ+FP track on the album. The beat is great. At 1st i thought it waz average, but now i love it. The lyrics and flow are totally on point. The song is loaded with FP style lyrics...the comedy, the cleverness, the cockyness.

[MaxFly]

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Maxfly If you cant dance is one of those fun tracks.. you cant be serious all the time.. I think it was a neccesary track to balance out the album.. Coming to the stage is more of a hyped up track.. I think If U cant dance is pretty funny and fun.. I dont think it should be a video or single, but I still think it deserves its place on the album 

At the same time Tim, that justification could be supplied in order to put any mediocre track on an album. "It's fun, it's different, even though it's not that good, so let's put it on." I understand balancing off pretty serious content with happier, lighter content, but at the same time, I don't think your have to forego quality in doing that. If You Can't Dance, by many people's admission, isn't even one of the top 10 tracks on the album. So yeah, balancing serious content with lighter content is good, but balancing excellent content with mediocre content is not so good. This is especially true when we know how good the lighter content can be... (Can You Feel Me?, Candy, It's All Good)

Though the content is different, Coming to the stage is just as light, happy and energetic as If You Can't Dance, but is superior and would make a great replacement.

As for I You Can't Dance being a better single than Switch Ted... (it's very rare that I take a stand for Switch guys... so take a picture or do whatever you need to do to commemorate this occasion) I highly doubt that you even want to have that discussion. With a single usually comes a music video, and a music video for "If You Can't Dance" would only serve to prolong the disrepect Will gets for his music. He would instantly have been labeled Pop, and even worse, the music video and song would have seemed associated, obviously, with Hitch because of its topic... If Will ever wants to separate his music from his acting... If You Can't Dance as the first and only single for 5 months wouldn't be a good idea... While it is possibe that If You Can't Dance might have commercial success because of Hitch... it would be even less helpful to Lost and Found than Switch has... and I could hear you complaining about how much black radio won't play "If You Can't Dance."

[Hero1]

Okay if I'm prepared to drop if u cant dance then u gotta drop "wave em off" then get rid of the two switch remixes and we have a flawless album

[MaxFly]

Ain't nothing but a thing... It's a deal.

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Okay if I'm prepared to drop if u cant dance then u gotta drop "wave em off" then get rid of the two switch remixes and we have a flawless album 

If you cut the album to 10 tracks it'd be perfect! But Will has always had haters call him pop too no matter what he does even back when he released "Girls Ain't Nothin' But Trouble", when you're on top who doesn't have haters? The majority of people who buy albums are pop fans, every platinum rapper has a pop fanbase 'cause they're popular, if you only have a hip-hop fanbase you won't sell much! Will does have as much respect as he does hate, but like I said before now peeps that sell the most don't always get the most respect in hip-hop, respect doesn't always equal sales, especially now, 50 Cent ain't that respected in hip-hop when he gets more hate than love, so even if Will gains more respect for releasing "Tell Me Why" that doesn't mean he'll sell 10 million all of a sudden.

Edited by bigted, 08 August 2005 - 09:47 PM.

[cataboy3]

I JUST WANT TO HEAR THE TRACKS WITH HIM AND KANYE GOSH

[MaxFly]

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Okay if I'm prepared to drop if u cant dance then u gotta drop "wave em off" then get rid of the two switch remixes and we have a flawless album 

If you cut the album to 10 tracks it'd be perfect! But Will has always had haters call him pop too no matter what he does even back when he released "Girls Ain't Nothin' But Trouble", when you're on top who doesn't have haters? The majority of people who buy albums are pop fans, every platinum rapper has a pop fanbase 'cause they're popular, if you only have a hip-hop fanbase you won't sell much! Will does have as much respect as he does hate, but like I said before now peeps that sell the most don't always get the most respect in hip-hop, respect doesn't always equal sales, especially now, 50 Cent ain't that respected in hip-hop when he gets more hate than love, so even if Will gains more respect for releasing "Tell Me Why" that doesn't mean he'll sell 10 million all of a sudden.

I'm not sure where talk of sales comes in... We're talking about the respect he gets for the music he makes.

If we're complaining about the lack of respect he gets in the business, but at the same time, we're advocating If You Can't Dance as a single... we probably shouldn't wonder why he doesn't get much respect, and we probably shouldn't be complaining.

It's one thing to have haters, but it's a completely different thing to provide your haters with reason to hate on you. "Hey, I already have haters, so I'm going to put out this wack single anyway." That's not sound logic in the music business.

[WesSyde]

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Maxfly If you cant dance is one of those fun tracks.. you cant be serious all the time.. I think it was a neccesary track to balance out the album.. Coming to the stage is more of a hyped up track.. I think If U cant dance is pretty funny and fun.. I dont think it should be a video or single, but I still think it deserves its place on the album 

:word: if u can't dance is a fun track. some people like it like me (cuz i cant dance so i can relate to it) and it sounds similar to JJFP tracks like Dumb Dancin. some people don't like it. i don't think it's a single, and it's nowhere near the top 5. that being said, i like it more than Could U Love Me and Mr. Niceguy and Switch. i think it serves it's purpose well. the only thing i'd like to be taken off of the album would be at least 1 of the Switch remixes. even tho some of the other tracks arent my favs, the album just wouldn't be the same without them on it.

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I think "If U Can't Dance (Slide)" is one of my top favs now....and has been for months.  It's the most JJ+FP track on the album.  The beat is great.  At 1st i thought it waz average, but now i love it.  The lyrics and flow are totally on point.  The song is loaded with FP style lyrics...the comedy, the cleverness, the cockyness.

[KevTastic]

I'd much rather have a big album with a few tracks lacking in quality alittle than a shorter album of just killers, who cares if it breaks the album up abit people still want valeu for money at the end of the day.

[Bracesup]

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I believe that the removal of "If You Can't Dance" and the addition of "Coming to the Stage" would have made the album better...

No way!!! "If You Can't Dance" is one of the best tracks of the album. Whenever I play the CD I keep "If You Can't Dance" and "Pump Ya Brakes" in repeat play because they are the two best tracks of the album! So there, Maxi! :jada: And some more words to try out some new smilies! :ninja: :ithinkimkanye: :eusa_snooty:

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I believe that the removal of "If You Can't Dance" and the addition of "Coming to the Stage" would have made the album better...

No way!!! "If You Can't Dance" is one of the best tracks of the album. Whenever I play the CD I keep "If You Can't Dance" and "Pump Ya Brakes" in repeat play because they are the two best tracks of the album! So there, Maxi! :jada: And some more words to try out some new smilies! :ninja: :ithinkimkanye: :eusa_snooty:

Chill out with the smileys.. looks like las vegas strip up in this.

[MaxFly]

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I believe that the removal of "If You Can't Dance" and the addition of "Coming to the Stage" would have made the album better...

No way!!! "If You Can't Dance" is one of the best tracks of the album. Whenever I play the CD I keep "If You Can't Dance" and "Pump Ya Brakes" in repeat play because they are the two best tracks of the album! So there, Maxi! :jada: And some more words to try out some new smilies! :ninja: :ithinkimkanye: :eusa_snooty:

That's too bad. I guess you wouldn't have anything to listen to on Lost and Found if those tracks weren't on it...

I can live with that... :dope:

Edited by MaxFly, 09 August 2005 - 06:52 AM.

[bigted]

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I'm not sure where talk of sales comes in... We're talking about the respect he gets for the music he makes.

If we're complaining about the lack of respect he gets in the business, but at the same time, we're advocating If You Can't Dance as a single... we probably shouldn't wonder why he doesn't get much respect, and we probably shouldn't be complaining.

It's one thing to have haters, but it's a completely different thing to provide your haters with reason to hate on you. "Hey, I already have haters, so I'm going to put out this wack single anyway." That's not sound logic in the music business.
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Well I don't think "Switch" changed haters opinions on him, that shouldn't have been a 1st single and I'm not saying "If U Can't Dance" shoulda been, but hey if Will just releases serious songs he might not sell that much, conscious rappers have a hard time selling, hate or love it "Switch" was a popular song, I'll be shocked to see "Tell Me Why" have that kinda success, btw name me a platinum rapper that doesn't have haters, everyone has haters, Eminem does, Jay-Z does, LL Cool J does, etc., the point I'm making is the only way Will won't have haters is if he doesn't sell much or doesn't have a hit single, people would have nothin' to hate on him for, a lot of hate is jealousy, "Mo Money Mo Problems" just like Biggie once said, Will's the king of the box office and he has haters for that too, then again people hate on Common 'cause he doesn't have a hit too, people always find a way to hate! :daveuidiot: I think Will's well respected too though since a lot of his peers like Jay-Z, Nas, and LL Cool J give him props.

Edited by bigted, 09 August 2005 - 07:56 AM.

[MaxFly]

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I'm not sure where talk of sales comes in... We're talking about the respect he gets for the music he makes.

If we're complaining about the lack of respect he gets in the business, but at the same time, we're advocating If You Can't Dance as a single... we probably shouldn't wonder why he doesn't get much respect, and we probably shouldn't be complaining.

It's one thing to have haters, but it's a completely different thing to provide your haters with reason to hate on you. "Hey, I already have haters, so I'm going to put out this wack single anyway." That's not sound logic in the music business.
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Well I don't think "Switch" changed haters opinions on him, that shouldn't have been a 1st single and I'm not saying "If U Can't Dance" shoulda been, but hey if Will just releases serious songs he might not sell that much, conscious rappers have a hard time selling, hate or love it "Switch" was a popular song, I'll be shocked to see "Tell Me Why" have that kinda success, btw name me a platinum rapper that doesn't have haters, everyone has haters, Eminem does, Jay-Z does, LL Cool J does, etc., the point I'm making is the only way Will won't have haters is if he doesn't sell much or doesn't have a hit single, people would have nothin' to hate on him for, a lot of hate is jealousy, "Mo Money Mo Problems" just like Biggie once said, Will's the king of the box office and he has haters for that too, then again people hate on Common 'cause he doesn't have a hit too, people always find a way to hate! :daveuidiot: I think Will's well respected too though since a lot of his peers like Jay-Z, Nas, and LL Cool J give him props.
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Again, it's different to hate on someone for no reason outside of your personal bias than to hate on someone when they have given you a few reasons to do so. I don't really think you would prefer If You Can't Dance as a single over Switch... I personally haven't heard too much hating on Switch. It's a weak track, but it served it's purpose in bringing a little energy and getting people to notice that Will was back with something for us. If anything, Switch was good for the clubs and parties. I don't know what If You Can't Dance would have afforded Lost and Found or Will's music career other than serving to muddy up the separation of his acting and his music and giving people more reason to dismiss the album without giving it a fair listening. Whereas Switch hasnt' seemed do any damage to Will's credibility as an MC, I can see If You Can't Dance doing just that.

Everyone is going to have haters... of course, but that doesn't mean that you give people reasons to justify their bias.

For example, black men have stereotypes that will follow them throughout their lives, yet that doesn't mean that because they may never be able to get rid of them, they may as well behave in a way to enforce those stereotypes.

[Jetdash]

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everyone has stereotypes, some follow the stereotype while others try hard to oppose it. people like 50 cent will only cause more people to believe that stereotype while Will Smith opposes it and tries to make people see that Black people are not all "gangstas" and ignorant, there doctors, nurses, ceo's, lawyers, etc... Will Smith is trying to show this through his music, with "i wish i made that" he says that not all black people have to be hard, have to be drug dealers, have to steal stuff in order to be black. And all the people who say they had no choice are just ignorant, they just took the easy road of selling drugs, getting high and didnt try hard to get to the other side.

The only reason Will gets discredited and dissrespected, is because of the ignorance people display that black people can only rhyme about cash, cars, hoes and drugs, and anything else is unacceptable. 50 cent and Company complain about these injustices, but arent doing anything to change it, they always glorify street life and then turn around and say that they are always picked on by authorities and blah blah blah blah. And then someone comes and rhymes about family, life on the other side of the tracks and then all of a sudden they are candy rappers, pop rappers, etc...

the rap game is full of contradictions and bad reviewers dont do anybody any good. so there, thats my two cents.