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in reality though the best mcs are from the golden era still 'cause they set the standard for how great hip hop should be made...
Not really, there we're just s many wack artists out in the 'golden era' as there is now. They just weren't seen as wack because we didn't know any different at the time. They should be considered pioneers and respected as legends, but we cant slate them the 'best' just because they originated in a certain era. Kurtis Blow established hip hop in a major way, but is he really a better emcee than Eminem? If you're being honest with yourself, the answers probably no. Respect them? Yes. Place them on a pedastal just because they are originals? Not for me.
Although Nas was in what we consider the 'golden era' of hip hop, its safe to say he wasn't one of the orignators from the 80's, but he's still 100 times better as an emcee than most from that decade. The same way we all say people need to check the history before calling someone 'the best' we also have to not be closeminded in that, there is some new artists out there who are very worthy of being considered 'the best'. And just because someone says Eminem or Jay Z are the best ever, without knowing who Tupac etc are, doesn't make them wrong!
Thats my take anyway!
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I added you as my friend on facebook and I'm playing the tracks on youtube since my computer's having problems downloading stuff at the moment, good stuff, I just had the intro on repeat!
Just replied to your message on Facebook man, appreciate you checking it out, glad you like it :)
The original link is dead, so I've edited the first post with a working link, see if you have any luck with that.
Thanks again, bro!
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Appreciate you checking it out Vic! Cheers!
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Cheers y'all, means a lot that you're taking the time to check it out!
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1. Intro
2. The Morning Rain (ft. Dido)
3. Let's Just Blame Hip Hop
4. Once In A Lifetime
5. In My Shoes
6. Coming Out The Woodwork
7. Dead or Alive?
8. Keep Refusing
9. Rihanna 20-20 Interlude
10. Just Gonna Stand There (ft. Rihanna)
11. Live For The Moment (ft. Aerosmith)
12. Struggle Before The Dream (ft. Elton John)
13. We All Fall Down
14. Don't Hurt Me (No More) (ft. Mr S)
15. Just Gonna Stand There (Part 2) (ft. Rihanna)
16. Outro
17. [bonus Track] The Real Slim Shady (Da Rebirth Cover)
Download Links: http://www.usershare.net/4le6pp9growt
http://rapidshare.com/files/439061532/The_Eminem_Mixtape.zip
Hope you all like it, feedback appreciated!!
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Chris man, you left it late, but thats post of the year, LMAO.
Welcome back Jonny, been a long time. -
Nelly deserves way more credit that he gets, he may not make top 10 lists, but he's one of the more original/versatile artists to enter the mainstream over the last decade.
I'm cool with dissing/beef/battles as long as it stays lyrical, when it turns into more than a verbal exchange, just makes everyone involved look idiotic.
And, I think Eminem would be more than willing to go at KRS if he had a reason to do so. It'd be hard to call a winner too, in my opinion. No-one is untouchable. -
'Spendin'... but he pronounces it 'spennin'
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Hammer is just looking for some shine. Not that there's anything wrong with that but Jay-Z didnt take a shot at him. It's so funny how people can just take regular statements out of context. Was Jay-Z the 1st one to say that? No he wasn't. It's a fact. Hammer lost all that money, simple as that. Don't take it out on Jay-Z cause he publicly stated something everyone already knew. Now Hammer wants to move on? Funny how it all changes so quickly...I just can't take him seriously sometimes.
Oh for the record, I do have most of Hammer's discography including the b-sides (courtesy of AJ) and while he does have some good material, I wouldn't rank him as one of the best rappers ever. Entertainer? Yeah def one of the best ever and his "Better Run Run" track was catchy, I don't think the lyrics were anything special.
Exactly the point I've been making.
@ Ted... every point you make is down to your opinion, you're not being objective. Not saying it makes you wrong or right, but if you look up to Hammer so much, lets do like him and, move on, coz this is going nowhere fast.
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Jay hasn't torn anyone down on his way to the top, hes there on merit, he's at the top now and took a shot at Hammer, if you can even call it that. Taking a shot at Hammer does nothing for him so I highly doubt he did it with intent to increase his rep. Plus, it's not even a diss, it's a fact. If FP or LL or Hammer made jokes on someone you'd probably get a kick out of it right? It's no different to a comedian making a joke about someone. Jiggas also created a lot of opportunities for people to come through and he gives back more than you give him credit for. He has no karma coming his way.
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Gay Z is not blindly hating? Changing his name to Knowles coz Bey has more power is not blindy hating? I have no problem with you saying those things but, c'mon son!
Bottom line is, your problem is with how hip hop has evolved, and not with Jigga himself. Your opinion doesn't define good hip hop, what is real or anything along those lines. Theres people in this world that think Michael Jackson's music is wack and would never consider him as high or even in the debate for the legacy he has. Who cares? Like who you like, dont like who you dont like, but don't make it seems like your opinion is the only thing that matters, because if it was, Hammer would be outselling Jigga, and thats never gonna happen. Now I'm not saying that makes Jigga more talented or whatever, but it definitly means a lot more people appreciate his talent more than Hammers. Don't hate on the artists, commercially people always make music people want to hear, since music was invented its always been that way. It just so happens that whats popular now doesn't fit your preferences, but it doesn't make it bad.
Plus, it wasnt even a diss, it was a fact. Hammers the maker of his own downfall, he blew his fortune, and Jigga could blow 30mil several times over and still be loaded. Its not a diss when its true, Hammers just embarassed he made mistakes that people could crack on/use. Jays not the first and he wont be the last. Fact! -
Liking Soulja Boy is one thing, but would he put him top 10? Probably not, would he put Jigga top 10? More likely.
I'm down for Hammer defending himself, being a man and standing up. But he didn't exactly go 'hard' did he? Lets face it. Dissing people and beefing is played out, I agree, but if it did go beef/battle full on, I'm willing to bet on Jigga still being victorious. Yeah I get it, Hammer is real, hes the roots, he came from the gutter and made it, I get all that, but again, his life story still doesn't make him a better rapper than Jigga. When it comes down to whose the better rapper, it is all about skills. If we're talking whose the better person, who stayed more humble or who represents what hip hop originated as, then yeah, Hammer probably takes it. But thats not gonna win him a battle against Jay. -
if you want me to post all the lyrics to 'lost and found' i'll do it, that explains the difference between real and fake, lost and found.... krs was standing up for the malcolm x principles, listen to those albums, there was always a positive message there...
Dont worry man, I know the lyrics, but you'll also find that Will rates Jigga highly, so probably doesn't see him as fake. Especially since he signed his daughter, haha.
Im aware of his positive message, but if you go in a record store and see those KRS covers, you're not thinking positive is gonna be the content are you? Being honest?
BTW Ted, I'm think the lyrics are wrong in your signature. Sounds like "Yo Jay, I got a reason to doubt" to me.
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LL Cool J's "Jingling Baby" dissed Kool Moe Dee and it was a party track so that's wack too? Speaking of originality, can you tell me what's so original about Jay-Z over the last 10 years or so? It seems like he raps about material, street violence, and sex on every song, sure he has more talent but he's a negative influence to the youth like 50 Cent, if 50 Cent said he didn't believe in God in his songs he'd get crucified but Jay-Z gets a free pass 'cause he got "skills", thank God that there's still real artists like MC Hammer out there still, it's more than just about skills when it comes to real hip hop like I mentioned before, Will said it best on "Lost and Found" how there's fake rappers who don't believe what they say no more....
as far as Eminem, there's no denying his talent but
he's also a negative influence for the youth who listen
to him, he curses a million times on record but at home he
don't curse at all, there's kids out there that're foul mouth
and disrespectful to authority because of Eminem's music...
I didn't saying a party track as a diss makes it wack, Jingling Baby is a banger, but, its not a diss track, he just goes at Kool in it for a few bars, its not a complete diss track, but even so, it has sick punchlines in it, punchlines that arent evident in Hammers Jay diss. Just becuase you don't think Jigga has been original/creative over the past 10 years or so doesnt make Better Run Run creative or original. Its merely that you like Hammer more, so you cant be objective. I hate this term 'real artists', what does that actually mean? You think they're real coz you like them, thats what it boils down to.
How can you bring up the negative influence gig when you rave so much about KRS One? Even though he's holding a gun in both his first 2 album covers. I'm not hatiing on KRS, but once again, its about what you like, you like KRS, so you ignore his negativity, you're not so much of a fan as Em's so you pin point him as negative, even though he's one of the more positive rappers to be in the mainstream over the last decade, and releases positive songs as singles successfully, something not many others, including the 'real' artists do. Truth is, there was just as much negative influence when hip hop started as there is now, we're just more aware of it because media controls the world and publicises it more these days.
And BTW, saying you don't believe in God in a song isnt a bad thing, because you don't have to believe in God, its a choice. Once again it boils down to, you believe in God, so you have a problem with it. I don't believe in God, but yet I still don't have a problem when an artist talks about how great God/religion is, for example, I think DMX's Lord Give Me A Sign is one of his best ever.
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I'm fully aware of how consistent Hammers resume has been and for how long, but that again doesn't make him a better rapper than Jigga. It seems like you pigeon hole artists by what era they come from, yes Hammers a pioneer, but that doesn't mean that an artist that comes out 5, 10 or 100 years after him isn't a more gifted talent.
As for the punchlines, I don't see any, old skool or otherwise, if Jigga dropped those exact same lyrics you wouldn't be impressed as much, if at all. They're pretty weak, all he's saying is he's gonna knock him out, that's not original or creative IMO. It's a party track, you can't make a diss track that vibing and be taken seriously.
It's all opinion, music is only good or bad by opinion, but sometimes that opinion is so blind we lose sight of what is real. Coz at the end of the day, there's was a lot of wack artists in the 80's and 90's as well as there is today, it's just about what the audience likes at the present time, for example, I hate indie rock music, but the last few years there's been a huge rush of that style taking over the UK charts, so it must be good, otherwise people wouldn't buy it. Whether we like it or not.
For Eminem being overrated, he's far from it, he deserves every accolade he gets, he deserves every ounce of respect he gets, he's arguably one of, if not the best lyricist out there now or ever. He belongs on that pedastal, other artists are underrated. -
I havent bothered to read through all the posts, but anyway... Hammer being 'real' doesn't make him better than Jigga, Jigga 'selling out' doesn't make him worse than Hammer. I got a lotta respect for both guys, but if we're going straight battle/beef... is there even a contest? Jigga would rip Hammer to shreds. That diss is up there with Nas - Ether? Really? REALLY? Is it even a diss? Is there even a punchline? I like Hammer, don't get me wrong, but if Nas gets taken to the limit in a beef with Jigga, Hammers chances arent viewable. And I don't even like Jigga that much.
Opinion drastically outweighs common sense sometimes on here, for real! I won't even go into how silly it is to say Jay and Em are overrated, when you're trying to put Hammer above or even close to them. Once again, I like Hammer, i think he's dope, but lets be 'real'. -
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Good to see something new, but getting bored of these compilation albums!
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Appreciate the feedback and your honest opinion and advice about the track, AJ. I'm reasonably happy with it as a first recording, it wont be the final cut, it was pretty much just an experiment and attempt to find my flow/voice etc. For sure, I need to work on my mic presence and hopefully that'll come with time an effort, its weird how even though you're alone you still have to develop full confidence in your ability before you can let rip fully on the mic, its something I'm without doubt gonna work on. Thanks again for the opinion, bro, much appreciated.
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So, I've finally started recording, some of you have heard it through Facebook already, but any further opinions would be much appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnPZ_6TVrYI
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Well, Goodbye England.. It was fun While it lasted.. lol
No it wasnt, lol
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PS: Should I put a Robert Green avatar?
Most predictale comeback ever, I knew it was risky business making a comment about a goalkeeper, haha.
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Might wanna change ya avatar after today, Ale
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After peeping a few of the tracks on YouTube I have no fear in saying... Welcome Back Slim!!!
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Voted, good luck man!
The 10 Most Disappointing Rap Albums of 2010
in Caught in the Middle
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There were equivalents to Soulja Boy in the 80's and 90's too, Ted, don't forget that. Not every rapper from those decades are worthy of being considered any better than Soulja is, it just so happen that there was a lot more quality out back then that we didn't get to see them in the mainstream as often.
I hate to say it Ted, but you're stuck in your ways. If you're talented, you're talented, regardless of when you started.